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      08-19-2010, 07:54 PM   #23
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probably get Nixon automotive to do it. I know it sucks but hey, it's a BMW!
Nixon does good work, but I thought I read somewhere that they only do maintainence work now hope I'm wrong!
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      08-19-2010, 09:24 PM   #24
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Nixon does good work, but I thought I read somewhere that they only do maintainence work now hope I'm wrong!
Nope! Just talked to Mike when they installed my LSD. Had no problems with anything i wanted done custom or not. I mentioned the bushings, he said bring her in! I'll have them next week so going in to get that done as well as the first LSD oil change after break in period.
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      08-19-2010, 09:37 PM   #25
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Nope! Just talked to Mike when they installed my LSD. Had no problems with anything i wanted done custom or not. I mentioned the bushings, he said bring her in! I'll have them next week so going in to get that done as well as the first LSD oil change after break in period.
Awesome! If your diff is bolted, how much did they charge for LSD install?
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      08-19-2010, 10:02 PM   #26
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Awesome! If your diff is bolted, how much did they charge for LSD install?
They charged 7 hours for the LSD install and dropping my exhaust and re-doing the gaskets and seals again. Had a leak and i wanted them to re-do the entire thing just to be sure!

And yes, i'm feb 07 production, bolted.
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      08-19-2010, 11:53 PM   #27
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They charged 7 hours for the LSD install and dropping my exhaust and re-doing the gaskets and seals again. Had a leak and i wanted them to re-do the entire thing just to be sure!

And yes, i'm feb 07 production, bolted.
thanks, sounds about right.

I REALLY need a ride in your car after you install those bushings. Must be awesome to have LSD + M3 bushings + Ohlins I'll get there eventually but not for a long time
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      08-20-2010, 01:40 AM   #28
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M3 subframe bushings will make the car more stable under hard acceleration and deceleration, that is a fact.

I also see another problem with your alignment specs, you had your rear toe at 1/16" per side? That is not enough and will cause some stability issues when accelerating hard and braking as well.

Another area to look at is the oem rear toe links, they come with rather soft bushings and toe setting can change under load and cause stability issues as well.

Let me know if you need to subframe bushing tool.
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      08-20-2010, 03:17 AM   #29
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Hey Harold,

What would you recommend on the toe settings? Also, i remember seeing the custom toe links (Velocity i believe). Is that what you'd recommend? I'll ask the show about the bushing tool as well.

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M3 subframe bushings will make the car more stable under hard acceleration and deceleration, that is a fact.

I also see another problem with your alignment specs, you had your rear toe at 1/16" per side? That is not enough and will cause some stability issues when accelerating hard and braking as well.

Another area to look at is the oem rear toe links, they come with rather soft bushings and toe setting can change under load and cause stability issues as well.

Let me know if you need to subframe bushing tool.
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thanks, sounds about right.

I REALLY need a ride in your car after you install those bushings. Must be awesome to have LSD + M3 bushings + Ohlins I'll get there eventually but not for a long time
Yes, it's slowly getting there.. Wife will KILL me at this rate... but then again, i'm insured so she's probably looking for an excuse anyways..

For sure man. Once it's all installed, we'll meet up!
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      08-20-2010, 10:50 AM   #31
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M3 subframe bushings will make the car more stable under hard acceleration and deceleration, that is a fact.

I also see another problem with your alignment specs, you had your rear toe at 1/16" per side? That is not enough and will cause some stability issues when accelerating hard and braking as well.

Another area to look at is the oem rear toe links, they come with rather soft bushings and toe setting can change under load and cause stability issues as well.

Let me know if you need to subframe bushing tool.
yup... this is what i was experiencing too under hard braking. Unfortunately my car cant accelerate hard enough to realize any stability issues . Wondering what toe settings you run on the HPA car and what you recommend too
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yup... this is what i was experiencing too under hard braking. Unfortunately my car cant accelerate hard enough to realize any stability issues . Wondering what toe settings you run on the HPA car and what you recommend too
I think I replied to one of your threads on adding a bit more toe in the rear for better stability as well.
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I think I replied to one of your threads on adding a bit more toe in the rear for better stability as well.
Hey Harold,

What would you recommend on the rear toe setting?
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      08-22-2010, 12:16 PM   #34
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Hey Harold,

What would you recommend on the rear toe setting?
Stick with oem rear toe setting, which is 3/16" in.
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      08-22-2010, 02:00 PM   #35
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Stick with oem rear toe setting, which is 3/16" in.
I appreciate it! Just sent you a pm about some parts as well!
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      08-30-2010, 04:20 AM   #36
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Stick with oem rear toe setting, which is 3/16" in.
Harold, I have attached a BMW Dealer 335i Alignment Spec sheet for e92..It lists the target for toe in the rear as 9minutes..which is 1/16inch?..where did u get 3/16?

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Toe measurement 1/16 inch or 0.0625 inch = Toe angle 8.95251minutes
Toe measurement 1/8 inch or 0.125 inch = Toe angle 17.9051 minutes
Toe measurement 3/16 inch or 0.1875 inch = Toe angle 26.8578 minutes
Toe measurement inch or 0.25 inch = Toe angle 35.8106 minutes
Toe measurement 5/16 inch or 0.3125 inch = Toe angle 44.7638 minutes
Toe measurement 3/8 inch or 0.375 inch = Toe angle 53.7172 minutes
Toe measurement 7/16 inch or 0.4375 inch = Toe angle 1.04452 degrees
Toe measurement inch or 0.5 inch = Toe angle 1.19375 degrees
Toe measurement 9/16 inch or 0.5625 inch = Toe angle 1.343 degrees
Toe measurement 5/8 inch or 0.625 inch = Toe angle 1.49225 degrees
Toe measurement 11/16 inch or 0.6875 inch = Toe angle 1.64152 degrees
Toe measurement inch or 0.75 inch = Toe angle 1.79079 degrees
Toe measurement 13/16 inch or 0.8125 inch = Toe angle 1.94008 degrees
Toe measurement 7/8 inch or 0.875 inch = Toe angle 2.08938 degrees
Toe measurement 15/16 inch or 0.9375 inch = Toe angle 2.23869 degrees
Toe measurement 1 inch = Toe angle 2.38802 degrees
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While on the M3 Read Subframe bushing, does Tischner have the best price for this?

I can't find a specific price except buried under their other suspension where it mentions for an additional $220, you can add this bushing. And the part number is listed.

When my Koni yellows finally get here from Holland on back order I might as well have the shop throw the bushings on, because the handling has me a little frightened.

I had a 2003 M3...and that thing never scared me...this 335i gets too much yawing under acceleration and torque steering....not a good awe inspiring good feeling that is for sure.

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This is what Evan sent me. Harold at HP Autowerks sells it separately as well. Talk to Harold as he can answer questions and supply other parts to suit your needs!

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They are 33312283382, $64.44 each (require 2), and 33312283383, $64.44 each (require 2) for E90


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While on the M3 Read Subframe bushing, does Tischner have the best price for this?

I can't find a specific price except buried under their other suspension where it mentions for an additional $220, you can add this bushing. And the part number is listed.

When my Koni yellows finally get here from Holland on back order I might as well have the shop throw the bushings on, because the handling has me a little frightened.

I had a 2003 M3...and that thing never scared me...this 335i gets too much yawing under acceleration and torque steering....not a good awe inspiring good feeling that is for sure.

Thanks
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When my Koni yellows finally get here from Holland on back order I might as well have the shop throw the bushings on, because the handling has me a little frightened.
I know how you feel! I have Ohlins, swift springs, and i'm freaked when i run my car hard. As we speak, i have M3 bushings, control arms and toe arms being installed. See if this makes a difference. I'll update later tonight!
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I know how you feel! I have Ohlins, swift springs, and i'm freaked when i run my car hard. As we speak, i have M3 bushings, control arms and toe arms being installed. See if this makes a difference. I'll update later tonight!
Good stuff, let us know for sure. The first time I jumped on this car while driving it I was like "whoaaaaa" not good!!! WTF is that I thought!!

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car won't be ready today! also curious if you other guys can give me some input on the install of the bushings. The rear subframe has a front and rear setup. The rears go in the same as the 335 ones. The front 335 ones go in from the bottom and the m3 ones go in from the top. Now there is a plate on the front ones. Is there anything else that needs to be done here? Just mount this plate fromt he bottom? no spacers etc needed?

Just checking in for my piece of mind.
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What's going on here???? Posts being deleted?? I get an email with the post that was posted here but when I check, it's gone?
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What's going on here???? Posts being deleted?? I get an email with the post that was posted here but when I check, it's gone?
Post evidence of that email....
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Post evidence of that email....
This was one of them.

Dear badass335,

Gen_E92 has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - E9x rear end feels 'floaty' - in the Suspension | Brakes | Chassis forum of BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum.

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