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      08-05-2016, 10:57 PM   #1
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$9,974.05 of maintenance done on E93 in 1yr. Is it a lemon?

I have a 08 e93 (n54 engine) for barely 15 months, and after looking at all my invoices because of frustration, I've seen a grand total of $9,974.05 work done ($7,842.05 if we minus routine things like alignment, tires, oil change, brake job, etc). From faulty oil sensors, coolant temp sensors, fixing the convertible wiring, to hydraulic unit. And we haven't event reached the HPFP issue (which I believe is supposed to be under warranty).

I'm starting to wonder, did I get a lemon, or do you all think this a car I should keep? I feel like the bmw dealership this car was brought from ripped me off. The car fax showed nothing but emission stickers, the salesman suggested no work to be done, and we were upsold a $3500 aftermarket warranty which I was told will cover pretty much everything, but me and my credit card have found it, there are MANY exclusions

On top of that, the service at the bmw dealer hasnt been the best imo. I've had to spend much of my time booking multiple appointments, getting frustrated, and waiting....and waiting....

I tried the indy mechanic route where I live, and I thought I found a great place (but lets just say there were charging more than the dealer i found).

So idk what I should do? I expected maintenance, but not $9k worth in the first year. For a first time BMW owner, this sucks (especially when I was thinking about upgrading to a f10 in a couple of years). This car is not even at 50k miles, and I barely put 7k miles on it in one year, drive it carefully, and it has still issues.


Would love to hear any thoughts, questions, or suggestions.


P.S. I have more work that needs to be done, so if anyone has any diy guides, please post a link :

- Rear brake pads
- Oil Change
- DMTL PUMP (much needed)
- Spark plugs
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DIY articles and videos are all over the place. Google or check out the DIY section in this forum.

Not sure what you purchased but it "sounds like" it might have been a neglected car that you had to do a lot of catch up on.

That said, I find that even cars that have been CPO cared for do not get good treatment. Example:

50k miles on my 355i. Do the spark plugs because I never trust things in the hands of dealers. Confirms suspicions when I check out plug number 5.. it has well over .035 gap while the others are at .029 to .031. Suspicious to say the least as this indicates based on service documents the tech doing the repairs didn't want to remove the bracket to get at plug number 5. (plugs claimed to be swapped out because of a miss reported)

Car now runs with a very smooth idle.. but if I am going in there I am also replacing coils. Also the the actuator gasket as they tend to leak even around 50k.

Simple fixes but you get the point... they add up.

If you are off in extended warranty land.. it tends to be messy because then they balk about certain steps in repairs and some even require the part to be test and proven faulty before they will pay the price. Its sticky to say the least. They do not like proactive steps for repairs... just fix what needs fixin.

Sorry for your experience but this far into it sounds like it's worth keeping the car at least to recoup your expenses thus far. All of what you mention needing to be done can be accomplished with a basic tool set, "some" specialty tools for the spark plugs like the correct socket.. and a few beers. Be patient.. watch the videos a few times and take notes if that helps. Above all realize that this is not brain surgery. It can be done.

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      08-06-2016, 02:27 AM   #3
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I'm starting to wonder about the dealer... They said I had a faulty oil sensor which I had replaced in March, and now, 5 months later, they said it needs to replaced again. I've drove less than 2k miles in these few months.

My concern is do I keep throwing money into this car? I only drive it once a week cause I'm scared of what will happen if I start using it as a daily driver, or will I be up a creek with a 2k part that needs to be replaced. I'm not afraid to get a wrench and get my hands dirty, just the fear of something the dealer or some expensive mechanic only can do makes me cringe.

Btw I've been googling about the dmtl pump. Seen a lot of resources, but if you know the exact one for the 335i I have, that's a lot.

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No offense, but I think the dealer is taking advantage of you or has a shitty service department that doesn't know how to fix BMWs. You bought a car with relatively low miles and an with an additional extended warranty. However, I think the car should have been a CPO with 10 year/100,000 mile warranty I'd ask the dealer why it wasn't when you bought it 15 months ago. But I'd question why most of the repairs you mentioned are not covered by the extended warranty.
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Call BMWNA to see if those repairs should have been covered. My car has 230k. I bought it new 2008 e93. I haven't had half those issues. As was stated, sounds like someone just beat on it and didn't keep it up. I'd talk to other local bmw guys to find out the best bang for the buck indy guy that you can trust for non warranty issues and keep it at this point. Your car is basically fixed.
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      08-06-2016, 11:17 AM   #6
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Do not go to the dealer, there is a 40% markup on everything. If the car is under CPO, you did not have to pay some of these things,
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Yes, and when you're at the dealer, you are at the mercy of them because they say let them do the work, or pay a $135 diagnostic fee.

It's not CPO, but I would have gone for it (paid $3400 for this aftermarket warranty which was led to believe its the next best thing to bumper to bumper warranty). I just shelled out $500 for tpms transmitter sensors (not tire sensors, the rdf sensors that tire sensors send a signal to). The dealer told me it wasnt covered with my warranty, but now since talking to my claim guy, he told me if those transmitter sensors are part of the ecu, they would have replaced them, and that the advisor just told him they were tire sensors which is why they denied it. He also says the dmtl pump is a emissions issue (which is one the few things they dont cover), so he's wondering why bmw doesnt have a warranty or recall for it like they did for the e70 x5 or hpfp?

So I'm on a whelm, and not sure what to do? I really like this car, it looks great, and drives great when everything is working, but everytime I look, there is a fault going. And the dealer is insinuating when I explain my point of view, telling me "its a 8 year old bmw", and that there are no leeway between any prices. I would like to just drive and be at peace. I dont mind spending 1k-2k a year or getting under the hood and learning some things to do the brakes, tires, or spark plugs like that. But when you tell me a hydrallic dsc unit is $6000, Its making me think twice.

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      08-06-2016, 02:41 PM   #8
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Call BMWNA and explain. They should make it good.
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      08-06-2016, 02:51 PM   #9
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Is it 1-800-831-1117? I think they are closed on weekends?
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I'm starting to wonder about the dealer... They said I had a faulty oil sensor which I had replaced in March, and now, 5 months later, they said it needs to replaced again. I've drove less than 2k miles in these few months.

My concern is do I keep throwing money into this car? I only drive it once a week cause I'm scared of what will happen if I start using it as a daily driver, or will I be up a creek with a 2k part that needs to be replaced. I'm not afraid to get a wrench and get my hands dirty, just the fear of something the dealer or some expensive mechanic only can do makes me cringe.

Btw I've been googling about the dmtl pump. Seen a lot of resources, but if you know the exact one for the 335i I have, that's a lot.
This should be covered under the 2yr warranty.
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      08-06-2016, 04:27 PM   #11
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The oil sensor? Yes they said since they did it in march, they will replace it. But the dtml pump, they are refusing and want $700+ to do the job.
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You mentioned a few things, but what all was done to total that much money? Was everything actually necessary?

You may have a lemon, or the dealer may just be taking you for a ride.
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      08-10-2016, 06:31 AM   #13
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The oil sensor? Yes they said since they did it in march, they will replace it. But the dtml pump, they are refusing and want $700+ to do the job.
I just don't see the need to replace the oil level sensor if it was just replaced in March. There is really nothing to break in them unless they are exposed to Electro-static discharge during handling prior to installation. If I were you, I'd get a BMW scan tool, learn how to use it, and then diagnose the car yourself so as to determine if the dealer is bullshitting you. You've not really delved into what has prompted so many service visits. You discussed the top mechanism repair and brake service, but any faults from sensors in the engine usually trigger the Service Engine Soon light since most engine sensors are related to emissions control. Other sensor failures will trigger "shadow" codes that are found using a BMW scan tool (one that reads BMW codes not OBDII codes). OBDII codes trigger the SES light. The DTML pump should be triggering the SES light.

My other suggestions are, drive the car more and drive it harder. BMWs like a little rough treatment once and a while.
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Another prime example of why people still refer to dealerships As stealerships. Bunch of crooks in uniforms. Do yourself a favor, go to bimmershops.com, compare at least 3 diffirent Indy shops and see which one you are comfortable with, & which has the best reputation. Do not by any means take your car back to the stealership or you will b slowly turning your car into a lemon. Good luck and best wishes !!
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Well I'll be damned..

I vote this dealership is not for you. Period. It's time you get those hands dirty as this is just rape. I say try to download INPA and troubleshoot some of these yourself.
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Yes, and thanks for the feedback from everyone!

I agree with some of the points made here. I felt like just a number (or sucker) with this dealer, I just feel like the service wasnt up to par (not the technicians), but the SA, and how he handled things, felt like a secondary concern/customer.

Called BMW NA, and they werent too helpful either. They said even though the car is a 08, it was made in 07, so the emissions ran out last fall, so I barley had 5 months of emissions warranty (now that sucks).

Anywho, I ordered a one stop inpa/dcan cable from my man Boelube335, will be checking that out soon.

QUICK Question: When the oil sensor is replaced, shouldnt a oil change be done? Reason, I ask, doesnt the oil have to be drained out first? Technically, you cant tell how much oil you have since it doesnt have a dipstick, so if its considered faulty, how do you know how much oil is in it?

Previously, at the other dealer they told me they did an oil change when they replaced. This dealer is refusing to do one, and simply said they are topping off free of charge. When I asked the SA for specifics (how its done), he said he doesnt know, and thats the law of the land basically.

I'm not looking for a free oil change, I just would like for everything to be done properly.

So if anyone can chime in, I appreciate it. Thanks.

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As of today, you can take the number to $10,174.05 (due to the warranty deductible).

Just to update, have been looking at the service records. These are some issues the previous owner experienced:

08 at 5k:
-Door trim loose
- Convertible hardtop dirty do to escaped butyl

09 at 13 k:
-SIB#65-34-07 LBL 506 program MULF2

2010 at 18k:
- Rear brake pad wear sensor
-Key battery, remote control failure
-drive unit, front window regulators inccorect connection
- at 19k, leak at gearbox connection, automatic transmission leaking

2011 around 20-22k:
- N54 Replacing High-Pressure Pump (part II) 22k
- Fuel Injector leaking at 20k
- Parking lamp failure, microfilter, and basic brake fluid change 22k, also check for injectors and replaced if necessary

2013 at 33k:
-E9x (with SA xxxx) install repair cable for B+ cable

2015 at 38.5 k:
- INJECTOR Common Rail Leaking (I see that listed twice on here on the same day).




I dont know how to read the davis numbers, but they seem range from 0-7 at different intervals).

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Ohh boyy.. Give that lemon back..
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Just updated thread with the prior service records.
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