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      08-28-2010, 06:22 PM   #45
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I understand their rules, however, they seem stupid.

Why change the oil on a "low mileage" BMW with say, 5,500 miles and not on a BMW with 6,500? Isn't the one with 6,500 more "in need" of the change? Seems arbitrary.
The under 6k car isn't likely to need an oil change for 3 years. A very low mileage car is likely to have more oil contamination from very short trips.

Basically, BMW has removed the annual requirement and is basically relegated consumers to the CBS intervals.

With 22k miles a year I'm not affected but it affects those folks that drive little.
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      08-28-2010, 06:32 PM   #46
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Anyway, I got my oil changed on Thu. and I did have about 6350. Maybe BMW is watching and retroactively billing me as I type.
I'm sure that was mostly sarcastic, but the good news is this new policy doesn't take effect until 09/01/10. So if anyone out there is due for their low mileage change and they're between 6K and ~15K miles I would call the dealership and get it scheduled pronto.
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Yes, the dealer is correct. BMW will only refund the dealer on an oil change once every 15k miles or once a year, which ever comes first. Its complete bullshit in my eyes and you should not wait 15k to change your oil. I change my oil every 5k miles and on the 3rd oil change I have the dealer do it for free.

Stick to the every 3 oil change for free interval and you will be fine.
Then your wasting your money- plain and simple synthetic oil is NOT the same as the petrol based stuff you are used to. It does not break down and lose viscosity like conventional oil. Average changes reccomended by many manufacturers is up to 25k miles. you can change it all you want but it won't be any better.
as for the initial change, yes you need to change the oil at somewhere between 500 and 1500 miles. this is simply to "wash" all the milling shavings out from the new motor. Sometimes there is stuff in there that doesn't get cleaned out. thats all it is... And ... fyi. Ive built more motors than I care to even mention... So I know where Im coming from on this...
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Go hands on IMO.

I LOVE to change the oil on my cars and will absolutely not wait 15k miles.

I got my new 335ix last night and plan to change the oil myself some nice Saturday afternoon in a few months at around 2k or 3k miles.

If there is a wrench around, I want to use it! Here the garages at my two houses (one obviously has a heater )



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I change oil every 3000 miles... it's a turbo engine... it's the best course of action
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      08-28-2010, 09:00 PM   #50
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Then your wasting your money- plain and simple synthetic oil is NOT the same as the petrol based stuff you are used to. It does not break down and lose viscosity like conventional oil. Average changes reccomended by many manufacturers is up to 25k miles. you can change it all you want but it won't be any better.
as for the initial change, yes you need to change the oil at somewhere between 500 and 1500 miles. this is simply to "wash" all the milling shavings out from the new motor. Sometimes there is stuff in there that doesn't get cleaned out. thats all it is... And ... fyi. Ive built more motors than I care to even mention... So I know where Im coming from on this...
I beg to differ. One of my OA from Blackstone Labs showed break down after 3k on Mobil 1 0-40. It wasn't much breakdown, but it was ~only~ 3k too.
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I beg to differ. One of my OA from Blackstone Labs showed break down after 3k on Mobil 1 0-40. It wasn't much breakdown, but it was ~only~ 3k too.
Im not getting sucked in to an internet expert talk as i just dont flat out care anymore.. just trying to help. Ill just say, your wrong and EVERY manufacturers specs will probably show this... Mobile1 was the first to show zero breakdown past 15k miles. check your facts again. they were actually the pioneers in this arena.
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doesn't matter cuz the 1yr/15k mile oil change is worthless anyways....4 yrs = $240 (price if I was to DIY) no big deal even if they took that away
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Im not getting sucked in to an internet expert talk as i just dont flat out care anymore.. just trying to help. Ill just say, your wrong and EVERY manufacturers specs will probably show this... Mobile1 was the first to show zero breakdown past 15k miles. check your facts again. they were actually the pioneers in this arena.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~gaw1/Bla...rt-2009N54.pdf

Ok, I'll just say you're wrong too. Let's just leave it to the rest of the forum readers to believe Blackstone Labs - who granted may have a conflict of interest, or a 26 post troll. Bye bye!
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2 free oil change during warranty period...............

20k and 45k miles............enuff said

$45 DIY every 5k miles........
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      08-29-2010, 12:58 AM   #55
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And now they've even changed that policy on that, wherein starting September 1st you can only get the free annual "low mileage oil change" if you drive less than 6000 miles a year. Anything over that and you have to wait until the car says it needs it.
They can't retroactively change your warranty! You get what the warranty / maintenance service was at the time you purchased the car. It's called a contract!
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That said isn't mobil 1 still dino oil not the real synthetics like Amsoil. So if you want anything that will lasts don't use mobil 1.
I'll call BS when I hear that synthetic oils are some sort of miracle, but let's not start with the red zone, white zone sh!t, ok? (no offense) There has never been parking in a red zone, and Amsoil isn't BMW LL-01 approved.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx

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Amsoil do have an LL01 approve oil

Had my car for 5 years and had used LL01 and non-approve oil......LL01 is just recommended, it's not something you have to use or your engine is going to explode....relax everyone
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Amsoil do have an LL01 approve oil

Had my car for 5 years and had used LL01 and non-approve oil......LL01 is just recommended, it's not something you have to use or your engine is going to explode....relax everyone
Oh crap - not this again.

ska - you just like stirring the pot. Please put your money where your mouth is and show us where amSOIL has an LL01 approved oil.

Don't post any long winded posts - just SHOW us proof.

And yes, there is a requirement to use LL01 approved oil in order to keep your warranty intact.

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They can't retroactively change your warranty! You get what the warranty / maintenance service was at the time you purchased the car. It's called a contract!
They didn't change your warranty. As long as they don't change that then they can change the "free" services all they like.
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They didn't change your warranty. As long as they don't change that then they can change the "free" services all they like.
It's stupid though.

I'm happy to report I will be well under 6,000 miles at my 1 yr service visit. I broke out the old Excel sheet and calculated the remainder of days before my 1 yr and I will be a good 100 miles under 6,000 if I stay within the mileage I've driven historically. Take that BMW.
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Again, I'll say it's not his car. I have no trust of any dealer, especially if they have a service department. But hey, do whatever you want with your car.
This [above quote] is not the point.

The dealers in Europe are MAKING money on oil change services. I'm not saying that the suggested interval is right or wrong, I'm simply suggesting that cost is likely not the main factor here.
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my bad, they're just BMW LL04 approved and all other German made approved.
so do not put this stuff in your E9x engine, cuz your E9x engine is more high-tech/advance than all other German builts...IE Porsche, Merc, Volvo, Saab, VW
BMWs are built by Aliens and you must use LL01...even Porsche cant touch our BMW engines



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Oh crap - not this again.

ska - you just like stirring the pot. Please put your money where your mouth is and show us where amSOIL has an LL01 approved oil.

Don't post any long winded posts - just SHOW us proof.

And yes, there is a requirement to use LL01 approved oil in order to keep your warranty intact.

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my bad, they're just BMW LL04 approved and all other German made approved.
so do not put this stuff in your E9x engine, cuz your E9x engine is more high-tech/advance than all other German builts...IE Porsche, Merc, Volvo, Saab, VW
BMWs are built by Aliens and you must use LL01...even Porsche can touch our BMW engines



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Don't try to talk your way out of this. SHOW us proof (the link to ANY German manufacturer certification will suffice) that amSOIL has met the requirements for ANY German manufacturer.
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Don't try to talk your way out of this. SHOW us proof (the link to ANY German manufacturer certification will suffice) that amSOIL has met the requirements for ANY German manufacturer.
amSOIL never claims that their oild have ever been tested to meet any specs. Their carefully worded blurb says:

"AMSOIL 100% Synthetic European Car Formula is formulated to surpass the most demanding European specifications. It is recommended for European and North American gasoline or diesel vehicles requiring any of the following worldwide specifications:"

Quite simply, my (by now famous) maple syrup, cottage cheese and Paulaner blend - made with the finest kung PAO base - is formulated to surpass the most demanding European specifications (which ones we'll never know because I, just like anSOIL, won't actually get it tested. I'll just say it surpasses "euro specs")

I recommend mine for Euro and US cars too - just like amSOIL says "it" is recommended.

Make no mistake - NO European manufacture has ever certified amSOIL for use in any of their cars - nor has amSOIL ever bothered to try to get their sludge tested.

Their claim that their oil exceeds a nice listing of specs doesn't make it any more compliant than my maple syrup blend - which, BTW, is pretty tasty as a marinade.

The only way to keep your warranty intact is use lubricants that have been approved by BMW - they have a list on their website and ONLY those oils are approved. Hint: amSOIL isn't on the list.
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I'm a big fan of long oil change intervals. I used to regularly go 7.5k to 10k miles on previous vehicles and not bat an eye lash. I would go to the recommended 15k on this car too but I drive it hard, longer and farther than any car before it. The whole turbo thing throws a whole new dynamic into the equation. Also call me paranoid but I don't see it in BMW's best interest to make these engines run forever.
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