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      10-08-2010, 09:10 AM   #45
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Good point. Despite the differences, the visual appearance of this prototpye (at least the front end) doesn't look that different. In other words, I still have hope.
Yep, the front and rear will echo the VED protype. However, the sides leave me in doubt. Here's an except from a story I picked up on another site (starts with bmw ends with blog ) with an interview from the designer.

"BMW VED introduces for the first time “layered surfacing”, both in interior and exterior design. BMW design chief Adrian van Hooydonk says “layered surfacing” creates a more cohesive and harmonious appearance while also optimizing air flow."

"Q: Can the layering design be used in a production car?
A: What’s important about the layering design is that we work on it every day. We’re trying through layering to create a visual lightness, along with physical lightness, in order to get the performance we need and very little fuel consumption. We need to be lighter and this is something we are definitely working on and it has a lot of potential."


So, I cannot help but notice the way he dodges the question. I am skeptical that this type of body shell will be production feasible by 2013. It might be, but there's many considerations IMHO - everything from fabrication cost to end user maintenance. It's a lot to overcome IMO. In a half million dollar supercar, sure, anything would be on the table. But I think this car is targeted in the 5 figures dollar range for sure. Maybe BMW will do it at this price point, we'll see. If anyone can pull it off, it is BMW I suppose.

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I doubt it will be branded Z6 or Z8 as these badges traditionally are associated with two-seaters.
Yes, and that's a good point. However, given that this car will (apparently - things could change from the dontblogaboutthis mule) be riding on a 6 series platform and will be offered initially with traditional powerplants, I don't know how they will distinguish it sufficiently from the 6 series itself if they do not change it to be two seater, more sportscar-ish, layout. We shall see. But to me, merely making this a 6 series rebodied with swoopy features is a risk.
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      10-08-2010, 09:48 AM   #46
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.... they might tie in their carbon tech as in hte i-project...

perhaps this will be a more acccessable sub $100k all carbon body?
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It will use the drivetrain from the BMW Concept Active 5 until the original concept drivetrain is mastered for production.

It will use the same shape and still be a four seater.
There is no plans for an "M" as yet.
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Okay so what we are talking about - in initial form - is essentially a would-be "6 Series ActiveHybrid" but with different styling, plus some other tricks and tech that fall under the "Efficient Dynamics" umbrella.

It'll be a cool car, but I think the hype around this car is already getting out of hand, and it seems to me there will be some inevitable "WTF?" when details are released. I am sure BMW can find customers for this. However, I just don't get the feeling it is a game changer like the Megacity is shaping up to be. But, I am going to hold off passing too much judgment until more information trickles out in the coming years.

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It will use the drivetrain from the BMW Concept Active 5 until the original concept drivetrain is mastered for production.

It will use the same shape and still be a four seater.
There is no plans for an "M" as yet.
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it'll maintain the concept shape?!!! will it maintain the lighting?!

man... this is gonna be the hottest green car ever built! and it'll be one of the hottest cars on the road!

exciting!
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OK, awesome, but instead of a pointless, expensive, and complicated hybrid system (when BMW can't even line up a high pressure fuel pump that won't break), make it a high pressure N55 with a 6MT option. This hybrid crap is just squandering otherwise promising ideas.. see the CR-Z.
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Okay so what we are talking about - in initial form - is essentially a would-be "6 Series ActiveHybrid" but with different styling, plus some other tricks and tech that fall under the "Efficient Dynamics" umbrella.

It'll be a cool car, but I think the hype around this car is already getting out of hand, and it seems to me there will be some inevitable "WTF?" when details are released. I am sure BMW can find customers for this. However, I just don't get the feeling it is a game changer like the Megacity is shaping up to be. But, I am going to hold off passing too much judgment until more information trickles out in the coming years.
That depends what it weighs. If it's a real 4-seater under or around 3,000 pounds with a 300hp drivetrain it's going to define its own segment, because there's nothing else out there like that. I get the feeling that this one isn't going to be another F01 platform engineering exercise like half the BMW lineup has become lately.
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so awesome! I hope they go all the way with production... no cutting corners!
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