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      10-17-2010, 02:00 PM   #23
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i did 335i to M3 to 330d (n57) and quickly back to 335i (n55). I literally hated EVERY second in the 330d and would never buy a diesel in a 'sports-orientated' motor ever again...

Really didn't like the noise or the depressing knowledge i'd gone for perceived economy over an engine to ENJOY!

Ignore the comparisons on times, those figures are based on 4 th gear performance - and obviously the torque performance of the d distorts the on paper numbers - the real proof, especially with the DCT box, is the sight of a 330d disappearing in the rear view mirror after exhaustion sets in at 5,000 revs....
I totally agree with this position, after trying a 330d I'm going for a 335i manual.
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      10-17-2010, 02:02 PM   #24
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I drove a 330d for a week between selling my 330i and collecting my 335i.

My honest opinion is as follows:

The 330d initially felt really unpleasant. The overly light (electro assisted) steering and nasty noise at tickover were real issues for me.

Happily, taking the car onto the motorway revealed it's other side. The 330d is a real mile eater and it is an absolute pleasure to drive long distances. The lazy torque lets you waft along in luxury and at motorway speeds the diesel noise and electric steering is not an issue.

Getting into the 335i afterward was interesting. In many ways it feels midway between the 330i and 330d. It has all of the motorway prowess of the 330d, but with the charms of a fast petrol (lovely noise, drama, engagement).

In summary, I think the 330d is hugely competent and it is definitely a car that you will appreciate over time. However, it lacks 'fun factor' compared to the 335i.
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Any one remember Vicky Butler-Henderson on Five Gear in the 330d on a track day? Demolished some serious petrol metal
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Any one remember Vicky Butler-Henderson on Five Gear in the 330d on a track day? Demolished some serious petrol metal
I'd hit it.
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She squealed when seeing to an M3 (in the 330d!)
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      10-17-2010, 03:58 PM   #28
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If you love to drive (presumably why you bought a BMW) then keep the 335i.

If you want to save pennies, by a Mondeo.
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If you love to drive (presumably why you bought a BMW) then keep the 335i.

If you want to save pennies, by a Mondeo.
Or if you want to do both buy a 330d.
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335i 0 - 60 mph = 5.5 sec / 50 - 75 mph = 5.2 seconds

330d 0-60 mph = 6.0 sec / 50 - 75 mph = 4.7 seconds

In real world driving, like overtaking and pulling into the outside lane of the motorway on full throttle you will not be disappointed and give the 335i more than a run for its money. 335d = 3.9 seconds on the 50 - 75 mph measure which is only 0.2 behind the 911 turbo! The 330d will not disappoint unless you want a traffic light drag race against 335i's.
These figures are based on both cars being in the same gear (4th in this case i would say) and in the case of the 335d in kickdown mode - in the right gear at the right revs the 335i will be quicker over any increment than the 330d..............not that its that important but your figures are very misleading.
The 335i in third gear can cover 50 - 70 mph in 3 seconds dead, not sure how much extra time it will need for the extra 5 mph to hit 75mph but definately no more than a second at the most..........in the same ball park as the 335d in kickdown and noticeably quicker than the 330d.


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OP - Test drive a 330d and then make a decision on which car best suits your needs
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Unless you are doing uber milleage all of sudden I wouldn't have thought you will save very much cash downgrading to a 330d from your 335i once you take the hit trading in unless ofcourse you plan to keep it for a long long time. If you are trading in for a new car regardless then then 330d probibly ticks the boxes based on what you've said.

Perhaps a bit left field but for real comfort and good mpg have you considered a 520d? I think I'd like to get try one at some point.

If you want to save some serious money, you could always do what I have done and go from a 335i to Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 cdti Yes it's a POS to drive but I get to work and back in roughly the same time, cost half to fill and does twice the distance.. road tax is 35 and works in the snow without winter tyres and I don't care where it's parked, but whats the fun in that lol

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These figures are based on both cars being in the same gear (4th in this case i would say) and in the case of the 335d in kickdown mode - in the right gear at the right revs the 335i will be quicker over any increment than the 330d..............not that its that important but your figures are very misleading.
The 335i in third gear can cover 50 - 70 mph in 3 seconds dead, not sure how much extra time it will need for the extra 5 mph to hit 75mph but definately no more than a second at the most..........in the same ball park as the 335d in kickdown and noticeably quicker than the 330d.


http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg..._bmw_335i.html

OP - Test drive a 330d and then make a decision on which car best suits your needs
Guy's, as much as figures may make y'all happy - the fact is, it always comes down to the driver as to how fast evenly matched cars can be. A decent driver in both, the 335i couldn't lose a 330d. Fact. Bad driver in the 335i, then the 330d will edge it. Reverse the roles and the 330d gets it.
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Ham09 - it's hardly a "downgrade" from a 335i to a 330d. Some of you need to get real, honestly. We're fortunate to be able to afford, own and run and be happy (well, some of us) with a BMW. Some people would love one and can't afford it for what ever reason.

I could go and buy an M3 tomorrow - but I'd rather save the money and keep it for a rainy day. Some people have reasons..some have circumstances. A 318 or a M3 - we should appreciate what we have.
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Guy's, as much as figures may make y'all happy - the fact is, it always comes down to the driver as to how fast evenly matched cars can be. A decent driver in both, the 335i couldn't lose a 330d. Fact. Bad driver in the 335i, then the 330d will edge it. Reverse the roles and the 330d gets it.
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Ham09 - it's hardly a "downgrade" from a 335i to a 330d. Some of you need to get real, honestly. We're fortunate to be able to afford, own and run and be happy (well, some of us) with a BMW. Some people would love one and can't afford it for what ever reason.

I could go and buy an M3 tomorrow - but I'd rather save the money and keep it for a rainy day. Some people have reasons..some have circumstances. A 318 or a M3 - we should appreciate what we have.
Glad you really like your 330d !!! - but for any lover of cars then going from a twin turbo straight six to a diesel is a downgrade. Youre right about enjoying what we own - the 330d is a great car and very economical, enjoy it.
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Glad you really like your 330d !!! - but for any lover of cars then going from a twin turbo straight six to a diesel is a downgrade. Youre right about enjoying what we own - the 330d is a great car and very economical, enjoy it.
I agree.
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An opportunity has presented itself to me and I'm potentially looking to change cars.

Have been looking at 330d's and 335i's (both manual) and it's a close one to call. Neither car is a proper drivers car if we're splitting hairs about things, which we do seem to be doing on this thread, but both are hugely competent road cars.

It's a tough decision to make, but a great position to be in

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Neither car is a proper drivers car if we're splitting hairs about things,
Until you make a few mods.
I'm VERY happy with mine.
And dont miss the the R26 or the track eating S2000 either now.

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I know the thread stated 330d but surprised no one has mentioned the Alpina D3 Bi-turbo. Test drove the 330d and D3 BT back to back and the Alpina was so much better and every respect. Engine revved freely to redline and delivered power throughout, steering was better weighted and more direct and the ride well that was simply superb. Yes it is true the 330d is ultimately more tunable but a remapped D3 BT is in the region of 245bhp & 450Nm and weights approx 135kg less


These figures need to be taken lightly as they are based on the manufactures/suppliers bhp & torque figures so I'm sure we are all aware there could well be some difference vehicle to vehicle an not forgetting marketing hype but you get the point...

BMW 330d (Auto)
1625 kg
245 bhp
520 Nm (383 ft-lbs)
150 bhp per ton
320 Nm per ton (236 ft-lbs)

Superchips 330d (Auto)
1625 kg
313 bhp
627 Nm (462 ft-lbs)
190 bhp per ton
385 Nm per ton (284 ft-lbs)

Alpina D3-Biturbo (Auto)
1490 kg
214 bhp
450 Nm (332 ft-lbs)
143 bhp per ton
302 Nm per ton (223 ft-lbs)

Superchips Alpina D3-Biturbo (Auto)
1490 kg
244 bhp
484 Nm (357 ft-lbs)
163 bhp per ton
324 Nm per ton (239 ft-lbs)
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I love my 335. The cost of changing cars will obliterate any savings. IMHO
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Superchips can get 313 bhp from the 330d?
Seems a bit tall to me! Probably more like 280bhp from the 245bhp unit. Too many tuning places over egg the pudding in order to lure in impressionable clientele.

My 204bhp E46 330d has been done and it's probably got 240bhp at a push. It's exactly the same map as many who claim 260bhp for the tune. The car feels great and is considerably more responsive, so either way, I'm happy.

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I know I posted it but I have to agree, I would think you would be looking more towards 290, but it's the torque figures I would be more interested in.
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Don't do it, I've been down the diesel route twice, there is nothing like a 6 pot BMW petrol on full song.
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Don't do it, I've been down the diesel route twice, there is nothing like a 6 pot BMW petrol on full song.
You do forget about the sweet petrol engine song after a while and learn to appreciate the diesel.

Perhaps it's like when you forget about the non-stop 5 times a day sex with your ex-girlfriend and learn to appreciate your wife, or something like that.
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