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      10-17-2010, 07:26 PM   #1
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Best winter sealant??

I recently used NTX Tech wax with great results but that was only 4 weeks ago. Holding up very well so far but recently been reading about Collinite Liquid Insulator Wax #845 as being tougher and longer lasting and a better bet for winter.

Also heard great things here about Blackfire.

What do you guys thinks is the best, longest lasting sealant for winter??
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I'm testing out 1z Einszett Glanz this winter, I've read good things about it's longevity but actual winter use will be the real test.
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i used black fire wet diamond and then topped with chemical guys concours limited wax next day
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i used black fire wet diamond and then topped with chemical guys concours limited wax next day
heard a lot of good things abotu black fire lately, may check that out
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I recently used NTX Tech wax with great results but that was only 4 weeks ago. Holding up very well so far but recently been reading about Collinite Liquid Insulator Wax #845 as being tougher and longer lasting and a better bet for winter.

Also heard great things here about Blackfire.

What do you guys thinks is the best, longest lasting sealant for winter??
Try Mirror Glaze #21, easier to use than NTX and at least for me gives a better, more durable shine. To really protect it, top off with Mirror Glaze #26 paste.
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Backfire, Zaino, Collinite 845. Can't really go wrong with any of them. Blackfire would be the "least" durable of the 3, but that's just comparing 6 months with 4ish. Either way, it'll get you through winter.
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i just used glanz last week as well. will post back in 2-3 months
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some people I know swear by Collinite 845.. looks crappy packaging but it does the job!
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      10-20-2010, 11:05 AM   #10
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Just to set the record straight you are mentioning two different things here, sealant and wax.
845 is a carnuba based wax and it holds up well, had it put on my GF's car, she uses tunnel washes etc. and it held up really well.
I use BFWD which is a sealant, sealants works really well in sheeting water and protecting the finish from dust and contamination. Bird droppings and other things get better protection from regular waxing.
Some detailers recommend a sealant and an LSP of a coat of quailty wax. It does two things picks the shine and reflectiveness up a notch and provides and extra boost in protection. I personally have BFWD and layer on PB Natty blue over it and love the look and protection it provides. 845 over a sealant would be a great winter combo IMO.
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Another vote for Collinite. It's not as glamorous as some of the others, but if you want winter protection, very few can beat it. And it looks pretty damn good as well.
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Heard good things about Collinite 476s
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Just ordered some Collinite 845 and some nice microfiber towels from Autogeek.net.

Look forward to seeing how it works out.
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Loving the Blackfire.
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Collinite 476 & 845 - both are in expensive and last through the winter.

Zaino CS and Opti-Seal are great clear sealants

M21 is good but does not last as long as the above when I've used it on my F150

My new favorite is Menzerna Power Lock Polymer Sealant. Looks great, very use to use and lasted me 4 months of summer washes and living near the water
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Just ordered some Collinite 845 and some nice microfiber towels from Autogeek.net.

Look forward to seeing how it works out.
My understanding is you can layer Collinite 845. I wait a day or two and apply a second coat. If anyone has any information on layering 845 please chime in.

845 does well in the winter. I use 845 on my wife's car all year and am happy. I might start using it all year on the 325.
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I am using blackfire on the wife's car and Jeff's Werkstatt on my car. Both are topped with Dodo Juice supernatural and are still beading after 3 months.
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My understanding is you can layer Collinite 845. I wait a day or two and apply a second coat. If anyone has any information on layering 845 please chime in.

845 does well in the winter. I use 845 on my wife's car all year and am happy. I might start using it all year on the 325.
If you were going to do that, wouldn't you just want to do a sealant for the first layer (e.g. Blackfire Wet Diamond) and then put a layer of the carnuba wax (Collinite 845) after? Or did you mean multiple layers of wax after the sealant?

That is what I was planning on doing this weekend, after lurking these forums for the last couple of weeks.

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If you were going to do that, wouldn't you just want to do a sealant for the first layer (e.g. Blackfire Wet Diamond) and then put a layer of the carnuba wax (Collinite 845) after? Or did you mean multiple layers of wax after the sealant?

That is what I was planning on doing this weekend, after lurking these forums for the last couple of weeks.
You could do either. Sealant + Wax gives you the best of both worlds, so I prefer that. Two coats of Collinite wouldn't be terrible though if you prefer to go all wax.
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You could do either. Sealant + Wax gives you the best of both worlds, so I prefer that. Two coats of Collinite wouldn't be terrible though if you prefer to go all wax.
Makes sense, thanks.

Do you need to wait a certain interval (2 hrs? 24hrs?) between applying sealant and wax, or multiple layers of wax? And on a related note, if you waxed your car a couple weeks ago (wax only, no sealant) does it hurt anything to apply sealant/wax "on top" of that?
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Makes sense, thanks.

Do you need to wait a certain interval (2 hrs? 24hrs?) between applying sealant and wax, or multiple layers of wax? And on a related note, if you waxed your car a couple weeks ago (wax only, no sealant) does it hurt anything to apply sealant/wax "on top" of that?
Most sealants need to cure for 24 hours before layering wax on them. As far as layering goes you will want remove old wax before applying the sealant.
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Makes sense, thanks.

Do you need to wait a certain interval (2 hrs? 24hrs?) between applying sealant and wax, or multiple layers of wax? And on a related note, if you waxed your car a couple weeks ago (wax only, no sealant) does it hurt anything to apply sealant/wax "on top" of that?
Sealant generally has to be your base coat. Wax can go on top of wax or sealant.
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