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      10-18-2010, 02:37 PM   #1
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Fisher Price paint job

After getting a new 328i, I think this new water-based paint business is garbage. Absolute garbage.

I've had this car for maybe two weeks, and I'm already having to resort to wetsanding. Literally. Most recently, some bird poop was on the hood for less than 24 hours, and I tried five different cleaners/polishes/compounds before I realize this was etched into the clear coat and not coming out.

Many other random scratches, and little dings of paint (down to the primer) coming off from a door hitting it (but no dings on the metal). I had a Honda previously, and the paint job on the there was several times better. No paint came off on that car unless there was a nice ding on the metal.

Oh, and the metallic touch up paint doesn't even blend as well as my old Honda's metallic touch up paint.

I am just so disappointed that a car that costs 3x as much as my old car has 3x worse paint quality.
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      10-18-2010, 05:28 PM   #3
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I have one already for the front; I'm not going to do the whole car. My point was that it's silly that a bare bones Honda has a more durable paint job than a mid-$40k car...
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Blame the EPA.
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After getting a new 328i, I think this new water-based paint business is garbage. Absolute garbage.

I've had this car for maybe two weeks, and I'm already having to resort to wetsanding. Literally. Most recently, some bird poop was on the hood for less than 24 hours, and I tried five different cleaners/polishes/compounds before I realize this was etched into the clear coat and not coming out.

Many other random scratches, and little dings of paint (down to the primer) coming off from a door hitting it (but no dings on the metal). I had a Honda previously, and the paint job on the there was several times better. No paint came off on that car unless there was a nice ding on the metal.

Oh, and the metallic touch up paint doesn't even blend as well as my old Honda's metallic touch up paint.

I am just so disappointed that a car that costs 3x as much as my old car has 3x worse paint quality.

So you're saying that because there is acid etching on your SOLVENT based clear-coat, that this means the water-based base coat is garbage?
You go further to state that a touch-up pen doesn't blend well with a metallic paint job?

You're not only out of your mind - you also don't know what you're talking about when it comes to paint. I'm willing to bet you never paid this type of attention to your Honda, and now that you feel you've "moved up in the world" to a BMW, you're likely much more active in how your car looks and any little thing wrong with it.



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Blame the EPA.
Blame the United States Environmental Protection Agency on a car made in Germany? For what?
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So you're saying that because there is acid etching on your SOLVENT based clear-coat, that this means the water-based base coat is garbage?
You go further to state that a touch-up pen doesn't blend well with a metallic paint job?

You're not only out of your mind - you also don't know what you're talking about when it comes to paint. I'm willing to bet you never paid this type of attention to your Honda, and now that you feel you've "moved up in the world" to a BMW, you're likely much more active in how your car looks and any little thing wrong with it.





Blame the United States Environmental Protection Agency on a car made in Germany? For what?
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No i actually agree with the OP. When i bought my e90 in 05 cars paint looked normal nothing to extreme. My sister got a 2011 x5 and the whole car looked like it was in orange peel. Went to the dealership and i was just amazed but i thought it okay. Still doesn't bother me.
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Blame the United States Environmental Protection Agency on a car made in Germany? For what?
Do you think because a car is designed in Germany they don't build cars according to EPA laws(whatever they are)? A lot of BMW's are made right here in the US. In those cases, they MUST. I'm guessing that they use the same paint on their cars instead of using umpteen different paint systems for different lands.

Think of California's CARB. Manufacturers are building cars that are shipped all over the world according to one state's requirements.

EPA is a bottleneck and they totally build cars around it.
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I'll have to agree, the BMW paint is quite bad and the clearcoat extremely soft. Easily gets spider webs all over... Mercedes is much better.
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Mercedes has a ceramic clear coat that is very hard.
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Without question, my Honda had way more durable paint. I would have to work to scratch the clear coat, and wetsanding pretty much fixed everything (if it was a deep scratch). I did care about how it looked; I Zaino'd it religiously. After six years it still looked pretty damn good considering how much road use I got out of it.

UPDATE: turns out my 1500 grit wasn't enough to fix the bird poop etching...*sigh* this is just insane.

Looking at buffers...I feel like with all the correction I'll be doing now (and in the future) the PC 7424 simply won't cut it (no pun intended). Was hoping not to spend too much money but looks like one of the Flex's might be the way to go. I like Dewalt stuff but I really want something that works for everything, and it seems like Flex is the only one that can do correction and work for more basic stuff like swirls, applying sealant, etc.
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Oh just a FYI, the local BMW body shop told me that they'll be switching to waterborne paint in 2011, so if you need to get paint work done on your car...now would be a good time to do it
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Without question, my Honda had way more durable paint. I would have to work to scratch the clear coat, and wetsanding pretty much fixed everything (if it was a deep scratch). I did care about how it looked; I Zaino'd it religiously. After six years it still looked pretty damn good considering how much road use I got out of it.

UPDATE: turns out my 1500 grit wasn't enough to fix the bird poop etching...*sigh* this is just insane.

Looking at buffers...I feel like with all the correction I'll be doing now (and in the future) the PC 7424 simply won't cut it (no pun intended). Was hoping not to spend too much money but looks like one of the Flex's might be the way to go. I like Dewalt stuff but I really want something that works for everything, and it seems like Flex is the only one that can do correction and work for more basic stuff like swirls, applying sealant, etc.
if 1500 wasn't enough then why would a buffer do more? sanding is the most aggressive thing you can do to your paint.
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Sorry - I guess that was out of context! (it's been a long day/night) What I meant was, I probably need to go down to 1000, or just work the 1500 a little more.

In other news...I also want a buffer for 1) fixing stuff like this, and 2) just overall swirl/defect correction. Seems like the Dewalt is good for defects, and PC is good for swirls, and the Flex both well

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Just to clear up few facts, the clear coat is solvent based, the only water based system is the color base coat and a lot of manufacturers use water based paint systems. The orange peel however is a BMW trait and not just an E9x issue but goes back further that that, my E46 has it's fair amount of orange peel. Also CARB laws are Cali but many states have adopted those standards so cars are not just built for Cali but for the law used in many states.

To the OP's original question , yep I agree to a certain degree that you can find much batter paint jobs on cheaper cars but there are trade offs. I've seen some horrendously finished paint jobs on Italian exotics that took really good high end detailers days to correct. I would suggest finding a good detailer in your area, have them look the car over based on your complaints and see what they can do for you.
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pc 105 4" orange pad should do the trick for etching...I highly doubt its gone all the way through to the primer already.
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Just to clear up few facts, the clear coat is solvent based, the only water based system is the color base coat and a lot of manufacturers use water based paint systems. The orange peel however is a BMW trait and not just an E9x issue but goes back further that that, my E46 has it's fair amount of orange peel. Also CARB laws are Cali but many states have adopted those standards so cars are not just built for Cali but for the law used in many states.

To the OP's original question , yep I agree to a certain degree that you can find much batter paint jobs on cheaper cars but there are trade offs. I've seen some horrendously finished paint jobs on Italian exotics that took really good high end detailers days to correct. I would suggest finding a good detailer in your area, have them look the car over based on your complaints and see what they can do for you.
Thanks. A MB guy tells me to just take it to the body shop; problem is, I can't take it to the shop everytime I get some kind of issue. I want to be able to fix it myself, relatively well. I fixed one paint ding decently well with touch up paint...about as good as you can get with touch up paint, so I'm happy with that. Stuff like that.

Also, I've been procrastinating on the whole wash/clay/buff/zaino system since I've been busy, but it looks like I need to get on the ball with this whole deal.
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pc 105 4" orange pad should do the trick for etching...I highly doubt its gone all the way through to the primer already.
I'm pretty sure it's still in the clear coat...I stopped buffing half way through since I was doing it by hand and the store ran out of 2000 grit, so compound and 1500 was just too much damn work. I'll try to do it again, 1000/1500/2000 and compound and hopefully that'll fix it. Then I'll Zaino it up the same weekend too, hopefully.
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Do you think because a car is designed in Germany they don't build cars according to EPA laws(whatever they are)? A lot of BMW's are made right here in the US. In those cases, they MUST. I'm guessing that they use the same paint on their cars instead of using umpteen different paint systems for different lands.

Think of California's CARB. Manufacturers are building cars that are shipped all over the world according to one state's requirements.

EPA is a bottleneck and they totally build cars around it.
Actually, the water based paint trend came fro European environmental laws. In general, current environmental laws aredriven by European laws - we follow suit here.
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I'm pretty sure it's still in the clear coat...I stopped buffing half way through since I was doing it by hand and the store ran out of 2000 grit, so compound and 1500 was just too much damn work. I'll try to do it again, 1000/1500/2000 and compound and hopefully that'll fix it. Then I'll Zaino it up the same weekend too, hopefully.
Me? I would be reaching for sandpaper to fix a bit of paint etching on a new car but hey - it is your car.
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