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      05-18-2017, 12:27 PM   #1
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Teach me about tires

I live in Chicago. I currently have three sets of wheels, 18's with RE-11's, 17's with Blizzaks, 18's with junk tires that need to be replaced.

The tread on the RE-11's is running a little low. A family member has offered to buy me new tires to mount on the 18's, but refuses to buy me anything that is not an "all-season tire". I said that all-seasons will handle any season half as well as a dedicated summer/winter tire, and the winters around here make it very dangerous to roll around on all-seasons, especially with RWD.

On the flip side, he keeps telling me that something like a Continental DWS will ride and handle better in the spring and fall, i.e. the in-between seasons, and that summers are a waste since it's only a fourth of the year. I'm frustrated enough that I'm thinking of declining the free tires because I want proper summer performance rubber.

So... What can you tell me about these tire choices that I haven't already mentioned?
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The G-MAX AS-05 is a UHP (Ultra High Performance) All Season tire. I have them on my wife's MB. Surprising level of grip with them. The ADVAN Sport A/S is also a UHP tire that is a good all around tire.
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The G-MAX AS-05 is a UHP (Ultra High Performance) All Season tire. I have them on my wife's MB. Surprising level of grip with them. The ADVAN Sport A/S is also a UHP tire that is a good all around tire also.
Thanks for your reply. Am I nuts to think that I'll be getting noticeably less grip with the all-seasons? I feel that the RE-11's have really spoiled me in the traction department, and I'm afraid to mount new tires only to find they're a downgrade.
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Yes much less grip then the RE-11's. Its all about the tread wear index. RE-11's are soft, a 200tw. The All seasons are 440-500tw, so much harder tire. They will be a downgrade, but how drastic, not really sure. The UHP tires in the last couple years are impressive performers though.
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If it's free you take it. Do you turn down a free bud light because you prefer sam adams? Besides, you turn down a good gesture and you might get cut out of this family member's will.
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If you are tempted to take the free tires, read up on the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+. Just put them on my wife's E46. As someone who drives PSS year round on my car (one benefit of moving form Chicago to Atlanta), I was very impressed by the A/S 3+. That being said, if I still lived up there, I would split the year on summers and winters.
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I've got continental DWS and think they are great 3 season tires. I don't run dedicated summer tires since I think their optimal window is very small. I do however have a set of snow tires I switch to from December thru March.

Personally, I wouldn't pass up on free tires.
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If it's free you take it. Do you turn down a free bud light because you prefer sam adams? Besides, you turn down a good gesture and you might get cut out of this family member's will.
You make a fair point. I'm trying my hardest not to come across as a spoiled brat, but tires are important to me because a) the investment in them can be transferred to the next car (if the wheels fit) and b) they're the only thing connecting my car to the ground. I would sooner convince my family that the summer tires are safer and better performing, and pay for at least half of it myself, as opposed to taking the free tires I'm not crazy about.

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If you are tempted to take the free tires, read up on the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+. Just put them on my wife's E46. As someone who drives PSS year round on my car (one benefit of moving form Chicago to Atlanta), I was very impressed by the A/S 3+. That being said, if I still lived up there, I would split the year on summers and winters.
Good tip, thanks for the heads-up. If I accept the (very generous) gift of all-seasons then I will be looking for a Michelin or similar, since I have this mindset that the best all-season will be like a mediocre summer in warm dry weather. Your last sentence is my whole motivation for starting this thread.
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I've got continental DWS and think they are great 3 season tires. I don't run dedicated summer tires since I think their optimal window is very small. I do however have a set of snow tires I switch to from December thru March.

Personally, I wouldn't pass up on free tires.
I appreciate your input. I see you're local, how do you feel about the DWS during summer? Any complaint in terms of handling, ride, road noise etc.? I know I'd be a fool to skip free tires, but I'm having a hard time settling for all-seasons after RE-11's-- I would hate to push the car too hard only to exceed the available traction and regret not buying summer rubber.
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Good tip, thanks for the heads-up. If I accept the (very generous) gift of all-seasons then I will be looking for a Michelin or similar, since I have this mindset that the best all-season will be like a mediocre summer in warm dry weather. Your last sentence is my whole motivation for starting this thread.
FWIW, Michelin claims that the A/S 3+ out performs some manufacturers summer tires. Vague, yes. But I think this is probably true. Have a buddy with an S6 up there, he is putting these on his car come the fall.
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A/S 3+ is what will go on my car when the Potenza RFTs wear out. I wish I was in your predicament ;-) I'd put those on for three seasons, paired with a dedicated winter tire.
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Any A/S will be a huge downgrade in terms of performance and feel from an RE11. Even 200tw summers still grip pretty hard in 45 degree ambient temps, and as soon as they get some heat they're even better.
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A/S 3+ is what will go on my car when the Potenza RFTs wear out. I wish I was in your predicament ;-)
Ha! I know, it's a good problem to have. It's very kind to offer me free tires, and I'm just hoping this thread can help my case for buying moderate summers instead of premium all-seasons. If I can't sway him, I'll shut the hell up and take the free all-seasons.
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Any A/S will be a huge downgrade in terms of performance and feel from an RE11. Even 200tw summers still grip pretty hard in 45 degree ambient temps, and as soon as they get some heat they're even better.
Many thanks-- that's the kind of answer I was hoping to hear. Deep down I knew this was true because I have driven my car very hard even when it's been cold, rainy, etc. and the RE-11 have never once let me down.

Can you recommend tires similar to RE-11 that won't break the bank?
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Any A/S will be a huge downgrade in terms of performance and feel from an RE11. Even 200tw summers still grip pretty hard in 45 degree ambient temps, and as soon as they get some heat they're even better.
Michelin claims the A/S 3+ will outstop Conti Extreme Contact DW (their max performance summer tire), on a 328i in the dry.

I have no experience with RE11s - how are they compared to the Conti summer tire?
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I just put (17") Conti DWS 06+ on my car, changing from Michelin Primacy MXM4 that were several years old. They run smooth and quiet, that is no noticeable change in road noise from a similar non-rft tire. The sidewalls feel slightly less stiff, but I'm not really concerned with that. The DWS 06+ are Conti's improvement over the original DWS which was known to have a soft sidewall.

I'm quite impressed with performance in the wet, about a week after getting the tires I had a brake-slamming moment in the rain on the highway. In a situation I was expecting to slip with my old tires, these stuck. Let's just say I'm happy with the purchase.

I live in Massachusetts and do mostly highway driving, but I also have family in upstate New York. Usually have a handful of times each year I really "need" snow tires, but I have a set for the winter as I like knowing I have a bit more traction in the snow. Plus it keeps the winter grime on the cheap wheels
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Many thanks-- that's the kind of answer I was hoping to hear. Deep down I knew this was true because I have driven my car very hard even when it's been cold, rainy, etc. and the RE-11 have never once let me down.

Can you recommend tires similar to RE-11 that won't break the bank?
I hate to tell you this but that doesn't really exist without sacrificing some significant performance. Firestone firehawk indy 500 are perhaps the best bang for you buck tires but they're a pretty big downgrade performance wise from RE11.
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Michelin claims the A/S 3+ will outstop Conti Extreme Contacts, on a 328i in the dry.

I have no experience with RE11s - how are they compared to the Conti summer tire?
Worlds better. Extreme contacts were pretty bad.
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I hate to tell you this but that doesn't really exist without sacrificing some significant performance. Firestone firehawk indy 500 are perhaps the best bang for you buck tires but they're a pretty big downgrade performance wise from RE11.
After checking current RE-11 prices, I'm not surprised that there isn't a cheaper competitor. What are your thoughts on, say, Hankook Ventus V12?
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After checking current RE-11 prices, I'm not surprised that there isn't a cheaper competitor. What are your thoughts on, say, Hankook Ventus V12?
I'd definitely check out the firehawk indy 500 over v12s. They're really good for their price.
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Since you have the extra set of rims and snow tires, I would not switch to an A/S tire. Stick with a summer tire. Summer tires are 3 season tires and work great down to ~40 degrees.

That being said, I have zero experience with Michelin A/S 3+, just with other A/S tires.
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