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      11-17-2010, 02:11 PM   #309
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Maybe this has been asked before but does anyone know what exactly fails on the pump?
None at all. Speculation has, however, been all over the map.

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      11-18-2010, 11:18 PM   #310
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My car just got the updated pump based on the recall. I did not get any letter. I brought it in with an engine malfunction light and they told it was due to the pump and would replace it based on the recall. I was the first to have the recall done at my dealership. They tell me it’s an updated part and the problem is now resolved. (we'll see)
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      11-19-2010, 08:21 AM   #311
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Yeah, having to wait for a letter makes NO sense WHATSOEVER and has NO relevence to this.....I think I'm repeating myself....but GD that irritates me.....
It does make sense, but I do admit it's annoying.

Basically, until December, a recall simply doesn't exist for our cars. In fact, most dealerships don't even know about it yet; until December, most won't have the parts, and a good many won't even know the recall exists. Currently BMW is compiling their lists of affected VINs. This is important, because otherwise you'd get every bmw owner who's experiencing problems, coming in and demanding replacement of their high pressure fuel pump. You'd have 2001 325ci owners demanding an upgrade. OR you'd have 335i owners who already have the upgrade (post-march 2010) demanding another upgrade, when all they needed was a reprogramming.

So it makes sense, and it is relevant, that we wait until 1) service centers have the right parts 2) service centers are notified this is happening 3) service centers know which cars to handle 4) service centers know the different ways to handle the cars that need to be handled

But yeah, I totally agree it was annoying, and wish it could be handled on a micro level instead of a macro level

All this being said, there are in fact dealerships that are handling the recall this moment. If you can find them, then go for it! Otherwise, we'll have to wait patiently until december
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^ Confirmed how? There may have been one or two 933 hpfp failures but I haven't seen anything confirming this. No one is sure at what point the 2011 cars started to get the 993 pump. Some say in the middle of the 2011 model year they started putting in the new 933 pump. If some 2011 models had hpfp failures those could be with the older pumps. Again, not a whole lot of confirmation on this. I haven't seen any proof of multiple 933 failures to believe so at this point.
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Yeah, if you take it in now, all you'll get is lip service and a remanufactured pump. You need one of the new ones manufactured after March of 2011. Wait for the recall.
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Yeah, if you take it in now, all you'll get is lip service and a remanufactured pump. You need one of the new ones manufactured after March of 2011. Wait for the recall.
-933 is the "new" pump.
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Again, it's the manufacturer date on the pump. We haven't seen ANY 2012 cars with this problem.

BMW will not install a remanufactured pump for a recall. The recall doesn't start till Dec to give them time to ramp-up and inventory new pumps for distribution.

EDIT: I should add that the 2011 335is (the first 2011 MY) convertible was available in the US prior to the coupe, January-February I believe. It would be possible for the early "is"s to have the old pumps. I will be interesting to see if BMW picks the early 2011 cars up in the recall.
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All of those threads don't prove anything. Show me one that specifically states they had a 933 pump that failed or definitively shows all N55's have the 933 hpfp.
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We haven't seen ANY 2012 cars with this problem.
I would hope we wouldn't have by now.... That would be a record or something.
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My car just got the updated pump based on the recall. I did not get any letter. I brought it in with an engine malfunction light and they told it was due to the pump and would replace it based on the recall. I was the first to have the recall done at my dealership. They tell me it’s an updated part and the problem is now resolved. (we'll see)
Part info:
1 13-51-7-613-933 RMFD
High - Pressure Pump: 135019
Core: 1 13-53-7-582-770
Doesn't 933 RMFD mean the 933 remanufactured pump? Why remanuf. for a recall, seems irresponsible. I don't think the replacement is due to recall, it's due to the light.
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Doesn't 933 RMFD mean the 933 remanufactured pump? Why remanuf. for a recall, seems irresponsible. I don't think the replacement is due to recall, it's due to the light.
The core probably can't be fabricated fast enough for the rate of failures that are occuring...meaning the problem is f'in huge. So ...they are just remanufacturing the assembly. I would say it is safe...just disappointing. As long as it works....that's all we care about. Maybe with a set of new injectors, all is good.
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so, what's the deal here? anyone get their letters in the mail?
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I would hope we wouldn't have by now.... That would be a record or something.
Do 2012 cars even exist, we are not in 2011 even yet technically.
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      12-03-2010, 07:54 AM   #322
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No letter yet. Spoke to my SM yesterday and he said that they should be out soon. He thinks that BMW is building up their inventory first. He's going to contact me when they get the word that they are being sent.
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No letter yet. Spoke to my SM yesterday and he said that they should be out soon. He thinks that BMW is building up their inventory first. He's going to contact me when they get the word that they are being sent.
yeah...

bmw is building up something...

a load... to blow in our face!

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haha. Well, there is 130,000 cars in the recall so that means they need about a half million pumps in inventory. 3-4 extra per car seem about right?
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haha. Well, there is 130,000 cars in the recall so that means they need about a half million pumps in inventory. 3-4 extra per car seem about right?
The HPFP to bmw is = The blue alternator/starter/waterpump is to pepboys...

lifetime warranty... but dont expect it to last a lifetime...

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See the current issue (Feb 2011 Issue #96) of Bimmer magazine for a good in-depth article on the HPFP situation: it's a MUST read, in my opinion.

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See the current issue (Feb 2011 Issue #96) of Bimmer magazine for a good in-depth article on the HPFP situation: it's a MUST read, in my opinion.

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Can someone post a copy? Link maybe?
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Can someone post a copy? Link maybe?
Ok, some CliffNotes (the phalanx of lawyers that inform my every decision uniformally recommends against this, but...)

Excerpts from Bimmer Magazine Feb 2011 Issue #96, author Mike Miller:
  • BMW notified the EPA on Oct 27, 2010 of a recall of 130,000 2007-10 cars equiped w/the N54 motor (1, 3, 5 and X models);

  • HPFP's in question made by Continental;

  • Recall will result in either a new pump and / or software update, depending on vehicle history (nothing new here so far);

  • Recall had been in progress before the Good Morning America & Nightline coverage;

  • Permission had to be obtained from both the EPA and CARB (California Air Resources Board) to conduct the recall;

  • Per a BMW NA spokesman the latest pump has been available as a replacement part since March 2010 - "part numbers 13 51 7 613 933 and 13 51 7 616 446 both bring the same current-version HPFP". Senior BMW techs report to the magazine that the latest version has not been failing, although they note they have not yet been in service for a full year;

  • Continental is not rebuilding pumps removed from customer's cars;

  • The BMW spokesman did not know why pumps were failing, although he noted that the N54 was one of the first engines using High Pressure Direct Injection, a "pioneering technology";

  • Contrary to some customer reports of lessened engine power after the software update, the update addresses the engine's starting protocol, not its performance.

  • Technicians have told Bimmer mag that the HPFP does cause problems, but they're often misdiagnosed. Some techs and SA's appear to be unaware that the N54 spark plug replacement interval is 45,000 miles, and worn out spark plugs produce the same symptoms as a failing HPFP; (emphasis added is mine);

  • Confusion has reigned surrounding the issue of who actually manufactures the HPFP: Bosch initially, then Siemens, then Siemens sold that business to Continental. Perhaps accountability is a factor;

  • Because turbocharging and direct injection are very much a part of BMW's engines planned for the future, the complany must fully explain the problems to avoid the speculations and misperceptions we presently see.

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This still sucks that BMW Canada, wont move on this for the Canadians! This is their response when asked:
That's strange, badass. When I took my car into BMW Toronto for routine service on Nov. 19th they informed me of the recall and booked the work for Dec. 1st. (I hadn't had any problems.)

So far, so good. The only differences I've noted is that the pump primes prior to starting the car and that the iDrive tel and nav screens have changed. The new graphic displays more street names and the colour scheme is now perpetual night. I actually like it: very readable and less distracting.
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Ok, some CliffNotes (the phalanx of lawyers that inform my every decision uniformally recommends against this, but...)

Excerpts from Bimmer Magazine Feb 2011 Issue #96, author Mike Miller:
  • BMW notified the EPA on Oct 27, 2010 of a recall of 130,000 2007-10 cars equiped w/the N54 motor (1, 3, 5 and X models);

  • HPFP's in question made by Continental;

  • Recall will result in either a new pump and / software update, depending on vehicle history (nothing new here so far);

  • Recall had been in progress before the Good Morning America & Nightline coverage;

  • Permission had to be obtained from both the EPA and CARB (California Air Resources Board) to conduct the recall;

  • Per a BMW NA spokesman the latest pump has been available as a replacement part since March 2010 - "part numbers 13 51 7 613 933 and 13 51 7 616 446 both bring the same current-version HPFP". Senior BMW techs report to the magazine that the latest version has not been failing, although they note they have not yet been in service for a full year;

  • Continental is not rebuilding pumps removed from customer's cars;

  • The BMW spokesman did not know why pumps were failing, although he noted that the N54 was one of the first engines using High Pressure Direct Injection, a "pioneering technology";

  • Contrary to some customer reports of lessened engine power after the software update, the update addresses the engine's starting protocol, not its performance.

  • Technicians have told Bimmer mag that the HPFP does cause problems, but they're often misdiagnosed. Some techs and SA's appear to be unaware that the N54 spark plug replacement interval is 45,000 miles, and worn out spark plugs produce the same symptoms as a failing HPFP; (emphasis added is mine);

  • Confusion has reigned surrounding the issue of who actually manufactures the HPFP: Bosch initially, then Siemens, then Siemens sold that business to Continental. Perhaps accountability is a factor;

  • Because turbocharging and direct injection are very much a part of BMW's engines planned for the future, the complany must fully explain the problems to avoid the speculations and misperceptions we presently see.

Rick

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