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      10-26-2010, 12:38 PM   #45
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It is so sad that it has to go to a giant media to get this going!

Finally thanks ABC!!!!

They should have ask BMW why did they not fix it for the N55! Another story?
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      10-26-2010, 12:39 PM   #46
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Just to confirm some of the speculation -

Just spoke to my SA...he has very little info at this point.

Its an inspection/service...meaning that you get a free inspection and depending on what is found you may or may not get a replacement. At this point, there is no info on what would constitute findings to warrant replacement. So yeah, sound like more of the same BS, just nicely written to make it appear as if they are doing something. When in fact, the protocol has not changed.
Jeez..that figures...

But maybe like you said...he doesn't know at this point...

Either way, the bottom line is that they don't have a fix for it anyway.....so until then...even if the recall was an all out replacement on everyone's HPFP's...that doesn't change anything...cause we know for sure there have been reported failings of EVERY one so far...even in the N55!!!! How do they not know this shit?
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Its an inspection/service...meaning that you get a free inspection and depending on what is found you may or may not get a replacement. At this point, there is no info on what would constitute findings to warrant replacement.
I'll be sure to ask whether or not the inspection includes a pressure test, or just a look at stored codes
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      10-26-2010, 12:40 PM   #48
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When my fuel pump went it made the loudest f'in noise. I pulled over and was like wow did something break.
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I'll be sure to ask whether or not the inspection includes a pressure test, or just a look at stored codes
Please do, but my SA (who is very forthcoming) made it sound like they won't have more info until after the end of the month.
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so... still no HPFP fix?
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Please do, but my SA (who is very forthcoming) made it sound like they won't have more info until after the end of the month.
Yea, coincidental but may be unfortunate timing on my case if this is the case. If it is not already determined, I will push for an inspection tomorrow, and if they tell me they don't know what the inspection is I will push for a pressure test. Luckily I've yet to had a bad experience there so hopefully my good service continues
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so... still no HPFP fix?
Nope...just "announcing" to make official what they've been doing it seems at this point at least...PR hedge IMO
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"Based on the individual service history of the vehicle, the action will entail replacement of the high-pressure fuel pump and/or a software update."

So they issue a press release to announce that they're going to continue doing exactly what they've been doing all along...?

Is this anyone's idea of a fix?

WOW!!!
Agree. They just annoucnced what they have already been doing.
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No fix. I don't anticipate that there will ever be one. I have long speculated that this is a significant design flaw with many contributing factors (I still contend that poor fuel on both coasts is a major contributing external factor - and yes, we do get this issue in the midwest but it does not seem as common) that short of a complete system redesign and replacement will always be an issue.
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Nope...just "announcing" to make official what they've been doing it seems at this point at least...PR hedge IMO
Yeah - the letter - the *letter* we've all gotten already! Where's the part no, manufacturer of the new part that will resolve our issues? For crying out loud go with something that will outlast our cars if you have to! There has to be comercial-grade units available that would resolve this once and for all.

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This isn't anything new, other than the words "voluntary recall" now introduced.
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Made it to the Canadian press fast... from the wheels section in The Star

http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/792284
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i watched the abc news this morning and looking at tom baloga, i see the guilt on his face from being busted by the media, just like toyota, they wait till the last minute to recall cars.
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Based on the individual service history of the vehicle, the action will entail replacement of the high-pressure fuel pump and/or a software update.

snow job... hope the media can see thru it.


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      10-26-2010, 01:47 PM   #60
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I wonder if this affects the 2011 335is. Since it still has the N54 but the recall is only on 07-10 335s. Does the 2011 335is have the same pump and software as the 2010 335i?
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I wonder if this affects the 2011 335is. Since it still has the N54 but the recall is only on 07-10 335s. Does the 2011 335is have the same pump and software as the 2010 335i?
It seems it is explicitly excluded due to model year. I expect it has different software as it has 20 more hp/tq from the older N54s. Failure rate of 11 N54s and N55 is inconclusive since they haven't been out for very long, but they all have the same pump
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"Based on the individual service history of the vehicle, the action will entail replacement of the high-pressure fuel pump and/or a software update."

So they issue a press release to announce that they're going to continue doing exactly what they've been doing all along...?

Is this anyone's idea of a fix?

WOW!!!
yep, exactly what I was thinking. How is this any different from what they've been doing all along?
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I love how they call it "Safe Mode" when the pump fails. My perception of the company has gone to an all time low.
This is just referring to the Limp Home mode that activates in all kinds of mechanical failures. Nothing new.

From BMWCCA...

High-pressure fuel-pump failures addressed

According to a BMW press release, BMW of North America has notified the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) of its intent to conduct a voluntary recall of some 2007–2010 BMWs equipped with twin-turbo six-cylinder engines, all of which feature BMW’s direct-injection fuel injection system.

Affected vehicles may experience a failure of the high-pressure fuel pump. Symptoms include long engine-starting times, along with the illumination of the “Service Engine Soon” light. In certain cases, the driver may experience reduced engine performance—known informally as “Limp Home Mode”—accompanied by a tone and the illumination of the “Engine Malfunction” light.

Based on the individual service history of the vehicle, the action will entail replacement of the high-pressure fuel pump and/or a software update.

Approximately 130,000 vehicles are potentially affected, with about 40,000 expected to require a new high-pressure fuel pump. Affected BMW models include:
2007–2010 335i models.
2008–2010 135i, 535i, and X6 xDrive35i Sports Activity coupes
2009–2010 Z4 sDrive35i
In a separate action, BMW has notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) that it will voluntarily recall approximately 20,800 2008 X5s Vehicles equipped with normally-aspirated inline six-cylinder engines to replace the low-pressure fuel pump. In this case, should the fuel pump experience a failure, the engine will stop running, and the driver will lose power assist for the steering and brakes, although both the steering and the brakes remain operational.

Letters will be sent by first-class mail to owners of affected vehicles in the coming weeks, requesting the scheduling of a service appointment with an authorized BMW Center to have the update performed.

No injuries have been reported with either of these issues.

In the case of either issue, if customers experience a problem, they should contact their authorized BMW Center. Customers with additional questions should contact BMW Customer Relations at 800-563-4269 or email CustomerRelations@bmwusa.com.—Paul Duchene
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      10-26-2010, 02:18 PM   #64
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Recall HPFP question?

So back in June 2010, I purchased my 2007 CPO E90 with ~46k miles. The day after I brought it home, it started having the infamous long cranks. Unknown to me (when I bought the car the day before) the salesman failed to tell me that the previous owner had replaced the HPFP 2x before me. Ofcourse, those HPFP were the previous models. Regardless of that, I took my car back to the dealer the next day and they replaced the low pressure fuel pump, and the #933 Model "remanufactered" HPFP. In August I took the car back to dealer for another issue and they also updated the ECU to the new software fix (primes the pump before starting). Thus I should be up-to-date. Every now and then though, I get some long cranks after the car has been sitting. However, this is intermittant. Nothing like before. Thus, after hearing about the recall notice today, I was wondering, since my invoice back in June indicates that the pump installed is the #933 "remanufactered" one, should I take it my BMW SA and ask him to install a "NEW" #933 HPFP, instead of the "remanufactered" one? Or, are all of the "NEW" 933 HPFP really just "remanufactered" 943 models? Thoughts?
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NY Times Blog

BMW Recalling 130,000 Cars for Problems With Its Twin-Turbo Engine

By CHRISTOPHER JENSEN

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...-turbo-engine/
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That's good news I guess.

I bought my 2010 at the end of last year, and at 7500 miles it hasn't had any issues whatsoever.
I'm afraid that if I take it in for the recall, it will start screwing up after I get it back.
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