E90Post
 


MINHS Auto Care Center
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > Mechanical Maintenance: Break-in / Oil & Fluids / Servicing / Warranty > PIAA LED (for "angel eyes") Bolt Install Tips



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-09-2007, 01:46 PM   #1
ksfrogman
Major General
 
ksfrogman's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 330i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Torrance, CA

Posts: 6,751
iTrader: (12)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to ksfrogman
PIAA LED (for "angel eyes") Bolt Install Tips

When installing the PIAA LED unit that replaces the OEM incandescent unit that illuminates the "angel eyes" or "corona rings," you will notice that the OEM bolts are about 1/4" too long for the PIAA unit. If you overtighten the bolts, which are now too long, you might either strip the thread on the headlight plastic, or crack the plastic.

You can easily remedy this problem by either:

(a) cutting the bolts shorter, or
(b) purchasing 4 nylon spacers (two for each side) from your local hardware store:







In this last photo, the PIAA LED unit is on the left, and the OEM unit on the right. You can now compare the length of the protruding bolts as shown by the yellow arrows:

__________________

Last edited by ksfrogman; 02-09-2007 at 03:57 PM.
ksfrogman is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2007, 01:55 PM   #2
ksfrogman
Major General
 
ksfrogman's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 330i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Torrance, CA

Posts: 6,751
iTrader: (12)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to ksfrogman
Two more tips about the PIAA LED install unrelated to the bolts:

LEDs or Light Emitting Diodes are directional. This means that they will not work unless the +/- electrodes (wires) are connected to their corresponding terminals.

When you look at the face of the PIAA unit, the very surface that makes contact with the headlight, you will see the PIAA logo engraved on it. The terminal on the side of the "P" in the logo "PIAA" attaches to the brown wire, and the terminal on the side of the "A" in "PIAA" attaches to the green wire. This, of course, is true for both driver and passenger side units.

Here's a little mnemonic to help you remember this: P=Brown, and PB=Peanut Butter or Pb=Lead. A=Green, and Ag=the chemistry symbol for silver.

One last note: when installing the PIAA units, the opening that envelops the two ends of the angel eye rings is very small and narrow. You will have to be careful about orienting the PIAA slots with those ends. This is because you may inadvertently push one of those ring ends downward and/or forward, which will make the angel eyes illuminate less bright than they should.
__________________

Last edited by ksfrogman; 02-16-2007 at 01:42 AM.
ksfrogman is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2007, 02:00 PM   #3
NaTuReB0Y
Powered By 36DD
 
NaTuReB0Y's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 E90
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Inland Empire

Posts: 7,381
iTrader: (12)

Frogman saves the day again........
__________________
2006 E90 330i Jet Black | 20" WORK VS-XX | FK452 | H&R Sport on Koni Yellow | REMUS QUAD
NaTuReB0Y is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2007, 03:52 PM   #4
remmib
General
 
remmib's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 F10 520d M-Sport
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Norway

Posts: 25,954
iTrader: (0)

Thanks

Hopefully I will install some PIAA LED after I get my car.
__________________

F10 520d M-Sport Alpine White | HRE P43SC 20x9+20x11 | Michelin PSS 255/35+295/30 | KW V3 Coilover | M5 Front Sway Bar + M550d Rear Sway Bar | 3D Design Front Lip | BMW M Performance CF Spoiler | BMW M Performance Diffuser | BMW M Performance Black Grills | BMW M Performance Pedals |
remmib is offline   Norway
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2007, 06:25 PM   #5
mds82
Major General
 
mds82's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 325xi
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: South Central Connecticut

Posts: 5,837
iTrader: (40)

Garage List
Send a message via AIM to mds82 Send a message via Yahoo to mds82
You can also pick up metal Nuts that are sized 10-32. those work just as well and they cost about $0.10 each at a hardware store

those are what i'm using with the LUX 2 kit.



ksfrogman - very good pickup on that though. i would assume PIAA would have designed them to fit perfectly
__________________

19" Breyton Race GTS Matt Grey, Eisenmann 4x70 Exhaust with SR Pipes. Vorsteiner Hood, Bilstein Shocks, CFEverywhere, mtec rear,
Carbon Fiber Headlights
mds82 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2007, 12:54 AM   #6
calvino
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: had e90, 330i mystic blue
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Weston,Florida

Posts: 1,926
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2006 e90 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via Skype™ to calvino
I did not have any problems with mine PIAA I did not need that spacer
__________________
E90 Mytic Blue 330i 07-20-2006. 05-17-2011
Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural? Support NORML
calvino is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2007, 01:12 AM   #7
Chesmu
Brigadier General
 
Chesmu's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 X6
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Phoenix,AZ

Posts: 3,015
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to Chesmu
Quote:
Originally Posted by calvino View Post
I did not have any problems with mine PIAA I did not need that spacer
you probably did not overtighten the bolts.
__________________
"Teach the ignorant. Ignore the stupid."
Chesmu is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2007, 11:14 AM   #8
tem0618
Private First Class
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Philippines

Posts: 153
iTrader: (4)

I have just installed my PIAA I notice that when I turn on my engine my markers blink for a few seconds then it shuts off. Didi i make any wrong connections?
tem0618 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2007, 11:34 AM   #9
ksfrogman
Major General
 
ksfrogman's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 330i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Torrance, CA

Posts: 6,751
iTrader: (12)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to ksfrogman
Quote:
Originally Posted by tem0618 View Post
I have just installed my PIAA I notice that when I turn on my engine my markers blink for a few seconds then it shuts off. Didi i make any wrong connections?
No, this happens because LEDs require less current to light up, compared with the incandescent bulbs in which a wire filament must first heat up. Our cars run a diagnostic check by sending pulses of microcurrent to the bulbs. These pulses translate into blinking LEDs.
__________________
ksfrogman is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2007, 11:38 AM   #10
ksfrogman
Major General
 
ksfrogman's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 330i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Torrance, CA

Posts: 6,751
iTrader: (12)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to ksfrogman
Quote:
Originally Posted by calvino View Post
I did not have any problems with mine PIAA I did not need that spacer
Right. When I initially installed those PIAAs on my first set of Xenons, I did not strip the plastic. However, the bolts were noticeably long enough that I am certain the ends burrowed into the virgin plastic (approx 1/4") they mount to. The key is knowing when to stop as this requires extra torque while tightening, which could result in stripping of the existing threads (on the plastic part). These headlights are simply too expensive to take chances with.
__________________
ksfrogman is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2007, 03:07 PM   #11
tem0618
Private First Class
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Philippines

Posts: 153
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ksfrogman View Post
No, this happens because LEDs require less current to light up, compared with the incandescent bulbs in which a wire filament must first heat up. Our cars run a diagnostic check by sending pulses of microcurrent to the bulbs. These pulses translate into blinking LEDs.

ksfrogman,

thanks for the reply
tem0618 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2007, 03:22 PM   #12
Chesmu
Brigadier General
 
Chesmu's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 X6
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Phoenix,AZ

Posts: 3,015
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to Chesmu
Quote:
Originally Posted by tem0618 View Post
I have just installed my PIAA I notice that when I turn on my engine my markers blink for a few seconds then it shuts off. Didi i make any wrong connections?
as frogman said, no problems...someone made a video f it once:

http://livedigital.com/content/821333/
__________________
"Teach the ignorant. Ignore the stupid."
Chesmu is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2007, 02:28 AM   #13
SimpleMan
Private First Class
 
Drives: 04 Z4 2.5i
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vancouver, WA

Posts: 153
iTrader: (1)

Can somone please point me to where I can buy the PIAA LED? Also, is there a thread on how to do the install?
SimpleMan is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2007, 07:33 AM   #14
mosport70
First Lieutenant
 
mosport70's Avatar
 
Drives: 330xi
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: South

Posts: 332
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2006 330xi  [0.00]
2006 330xi  [0.00]
2006 330xi  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimpleMan View Post
Can somone please point me to where I can buy the PIAA LED? Also, is there a thread on how to do the install?

I found these with google:

http://www.eautoworks.com/html/ord-L...s-1-107031.htm

I have never bought from them though the price is good.

You should ask e90post supporting vendors first... may be one will reply with a deal.
__________________
330xi Sparkling Graphite | Terra with Burl Walnut | ZPP | ZSP with Style 162 | Comfort Access | Heated Seats | PDC | Navigation | Satellite Radio | OEM Alarm | De-badged | OEM Strut Brace | Blacklines | Rear Fogs | Silver Front Indicator Bulbs

Ordered: 4.3.2006
Scheduled for Production: 4.7.2006
Awaiting Transport: 4.13.2006
En Route: 4.19.2006
At Preparation Center: 5.11.2006
Performance Center Delivery: 06.01.2006

mosport70 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2007, 12:17 PM   #15
Autobot
Colonel
 
Autobot's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 E90 Montego 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Monterey, California

Posts: 2,980
iTrader: (8)

Garage List
06 325i  [0.00]
07 328i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimpleMan View Post
Can somone please point me to where I can buy the PIAA LED? Also, is there a thread on how to do the install?
If you want something that is brighter than the PIAA's I have a set of LUX 2.0's for sale, they are about the same price.
__________________
MODS: Blacklines|M6 Reps|Rear Fog|Silver CF Int Trim |Silver CF Pedals, Dead Pedal & Brake hande|OEM CF Trunk Spoiler |ACS Roof Spoiler|CF Mirror Covers|CF Door Pillars |8000K D1S| Blue LED Interior Lights|Black Grille| LUX 5.0| ACS front lip| 20% Tint| CF Roundels | LED Turn signals |Deleted Secondary Cats|Eisenmann Race with mid-pipes|BMW Perf SSK| Black roof | SWS 8 & PDX amp|BMW Perf Fr Brakes | Vorsteiner CF Hood
Autobot is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2007, 12:19 PM   #16
timn
First Lieutenant
 
timn's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 335i
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Palo Alto, Ca

Posts: 321
iTrader: (4)

Send a message via AIM to timn
Has anyone tried these with the E92 yet?

BTW, nice DIY!
timn is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2007, 12:20 PM   #17
Autobot
Colonel
 
Autobot's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 E90 Montego 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Monterey, California

Posts: 2,980
iTrader: (8)

Garage List
06 325i  [0.00]
07 328i  [0.00]
No, the E92 use the H8 bulbs for the angels. These won't work for it
__________________
MODS: Blacklines|M6 Reps|Rear Fog|Silver CF Int Trim |Silver CF Pedals, Dead Pedal & Brake hande|OEM CF Trunk Spoiler |ACS Roof Spoiler|CF Mirror Covers|CF Door Pillars |8000K D1S| Blue LED Interior Lights|Black Grille| LUX 5.0| ACS front lip| 20% Tint| CF Roundels | LED Turn signals |Deleted Secondary Cats|Eisenmann Race with mid-pipes|BMW Perf SSK| Black roof | SWS 8 & PDX amp|BMW Perf Fr Brakes | Vorsteiner CF Hood
Autobot is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      06-10-2007, 03:42 PM   #18
sum1else
New Member
 
Drives: 2008 328xi Coupe 6M
Join Date: May 2007
Location: NY

Posts: 25
iTrader: (0)

Just did this mod today... I used the same size (1/4") spacers as the suggested in another post http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46680, although mine were aluminum. I feel like they could have been a bit longer, but maybe I'm wrong.

The install took me about two hours, most of that time was spent on the first one. It took a solid 45 minutes to figure out how to open the top clip for me, so here is what I did for everyone else. Note I did not take the rim off, so it was extremely difficult to see the top clip.

The second unit from start to finish took 10 minutes

To open the angel eye housing:
take a flashlight, try and get a view of the top clip. Its very hard, but you can make out a small notch in it.

take a medium sized (regular household) flathead screwdriver and shove it into the notch on the clip. Now Twist it 90 degrees. This should release the clip.

Now grab the housing with your free hand and angle it forward.

Now release the bottom clip while making sure you hold the housing forward so the top clip doesn't re-engage.

The Torx inside is in fact a T-15. When inserting the new light housing (LED or otherwise) you must push the screws all the way down and align them to their respective holes as best as you can before pushing the unit in. This will prevent you from disrupting the light receptacles and having to re-align them 3 times like I did
sum1else is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      06-10-2007, 06:01 PM   #19
SimpleMan
Private First Class
 
Drives: 04 Z4 2.5i
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vancouver, WA

Posts: 153
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sum1else View Post
Just did this mod today... I used the same size (1/4") spacers as the suggested in another post http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46680, although mine were aluminum. I feel like they could have been a bit longer, but maybe I'm wrong.

The install took me about two hours, most of that time was spent on the first one. It took a solid 45 minutes to figure out how to open the top clip for me, so here is what I did for everyone else. Note I did not take the rim off, so it was extremely difficult to see the top clip.

The second unit from start to finish took 10 minutes

To open the angel eye housing:
take a flashlight, try and get a view of the top clip. Its very hard, but you can make out a small notch in it.

take a medium sized (regular household) flathead screwdriver and shove it into the notch on the clip. Now Twist it 90 degrees. This should release the clip.

Now grab the housing with your free hand and angle it forward.

Now release the bottom clip while making sure you hold the housing forward so the top clip doesn't re-engage.

The Torx inside is in fact a T-15. When inserting the new light housing (LED or otherwise) you must push the screws all the way down and align them to their respective holes as best as you can before pushing the unit in. This will prevent you from disrupting the light receptacles and having to re-align them 3 times like I did
Which side are you referring to as the "first one"?

Were you able to replace the passenger side bulb from under the hood? I took a look and can't see how it could be replaced like the DIY says.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28879
SimpleMan is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      06-10-2007, 07:06 PM   #20
ksfrogman
Major General
 
ksfrogman's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 330i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Torrance, CA

Posts: 6,751
iTrader: (12)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
2006 330i  [0.00]
Send a message via AIM to ksfrogman
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimpleMan View Post
Which side are you referring to as the "first one"?

Were you able to replace the passenger side bulb from under the hood? I took a look and can't see how it could be replaced like the DIY says.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28879
It's always easier to just take the wheel off and remove the plastic fender well cover so you can see what you're doing.
__________________
ksfrogman is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      06-10-2007, 08:50 PM   #21
SimpleMan
Private First Class
 
Drives: 04 Z4 2.5i
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vancouver, WA

Posts: 153
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ksfrogman View Post
It's always easier to just take the wheel off and remove the plastic fender well cover so you can see what you're doing.
Can I get both sides this way? The DIY shows the guy replacing the passenger side from under the hood. I don't see how that's possible. Not enough space to work IMO.
SimpleMan is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      06-10-2007, 09:51 PM   #22
sum1else
New Member
 
Drives: 2008 328xi Coupe 6M
Join Date: May 2007
Location: NY

Posts: 25
iTrader: (0)

the first one meaning the first side of the car that i did (passenger).

I do not see how anyone could possibly do the PASSENGER side through the top without opening the wheel well mud guard. Even if you could get the unit open, you could never see where the lighting unit plugged into to make sure that you didnt disrupt the two tubes that carry the light to the angel eyes.

Best way to do it is to prop it up on jackstands, take off the rims and the mud guards
sum1else is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:09 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST