[jackb]

Originally Posted by montreal red

you can try options from g-force as well. their basic helmet is pretty low cost.

perry only has HJC (and other more expensive options like sparco and stilo) at the moment i believe. so you wont be able to try the zamp for sizing.

Do you know who carries G-force helmets?

Perry does carry the ZAMP line unfortunately they don't agree with the shape of my head, It really looks like I will be buying the HJC AR-10 II in flat black

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by jackb

Do you know who carries G-force helmets?

Perry does carry the ZAMP line unfortunately they don't agree with the shape of my head, It really looks like I will be buying the HJC AR-10 II in flat black

perry used to carry g-force helmets but it looks like the no longer do so. as for zamp, the last time i went there they had no zamps in stock thats why i figured they stop bringing them in.

i believe ken or tony can answer your question on where to get g-force helmets.

otherwise, you cant go wrong with the HJC helmet. glen and i have it. they are pretty low cost and relatively decent quality compared to some of the other options out there.

i wished i had the cash to buy the SI-12 HJC helmet... they are so much lighter than the AR10

[Heracles]

Hello guys,

Today was my first track experience. Not at all what I expected or hoped...

Never in the past I've been sea sick or have sickness in airplane. But while racing on Mont-Tremblant, sickness started minutes after I hit the track. So uncomfortable! Also, there is not so much time for excitement while driving because you must be perfectly concentrated on your driving at all time.

2 guys broke their car today (no accident but mechanical damage, probably from heat), tires and brakes always suffer badly, so why should I keep make me sick, risk damage to my car, abuse my tires and brakes, all of that not such a great excitement ? I left before the end of the day and ultimately, did not completed a single free tour of the circuit.

I know many of you really enjoy tracking, but it's definitely not for me!

[Tonybest]

Originally Posted by Heracles

Hello guys,

Today was my first track experience. Not at all what I expected or hoped...

Never in the past I've been sea sick or have sickness in airplane. But while racing on Mont-Tremblant, sickness started minutes after I hit the track. So uncomfortable! Also, there is not so much time for excitement while driving because you must be perfectly concentrated on your driving at all time.

2 guys broke their car today (no accident but mechanical damage, probably from heat), tires and brakes always suffer badly, so why should I keep make me sick, risk damage to my car, abuse my tires and brakes, all of that not such a great excitement ? I left before the end of the day and ultimately, did not completed a single free tour of the circuit.

I know many of you really enjoy tracking, but it's definitely not for me!

Well you just saved yourself a ton of money. Tracking is an expensive hobby. and you are right, it isn't for everyone.

Now I don't get the part where you say you didn't get to complete a single free tour of the circuit... ??

What is a free tour?

Were you a passenger or the driver? Because it's quite normal to get seasick while being a passenger. Not very common as a driver. (I never heard of someone getting seasick while driving.) Maybe you were already sick before the lapping started...

If this was your first experience, I don't get why you couldn't drive gradually up to speed during all your sessions. How could you be driving at the limit on a first experience at a new track... because you said you needed to be perfectly concentrated on your driving at all time... Not the case if you are learning the track at your pace.

Who organized this track day?

[jackb]

Originally Posted by Heracles

Hello guys,

Today was my first track experience. Not at all what I expected or hoped...

Never in the past I've been sea sick or have sickness in airplane. But while racing on Mont-Tremblant, sickness started minutes after I hit the track. So uncomfortable! Also, there is not so much time for excitement while driving because you must be perfectly concentrated on your driving at all time.

2 guys broke their car today (no accident but mechanical damage, probably from heat), tires and brakes always suffer badly, so why should I keep make me sick, risk damage to my car, abuse my tires and brakes, all of that not such a great excitement ? I left before the end of the day and ultimately, did not completed a single free tour of the circuit.

I know many of you really enjoy tracking, but it's definitely not for me!

Hello Heracles ,
sorry to hear you did not enjoy it,, I will be doing my first HPDE event myself at Tremblant next month and sure I'm a little apprehensive of putting my car on the track, however I was assured that everybody goes at their on pace and there are no pressure to peform

As for getting sick , like you I never suffer from motion sickness, however when I did Karting last year (rotax 125cc) I was feeling sick after my first session on track

I thought about it afterwards and I think a few of things created that situation

1. I was very tense and was not breathing properly
2. I had difficulty looking ahead all the time and was changing focus constantly
3. I did not have any breakfast and drank 2-3 coffees

I did another session after that and did a BMW winter HPDE and was careful of the points above especially #2 and everything went well

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by Heracles

Hello guys,

Today was my first track experience. Not at all what I expected or hoped...

Never in the past I've been sea sick or have sickness in airplane. But while racing on Mont-Tremblant, sickness started minutes after I hit the track. So uncomfortable! Also, there is not so much time for excitement while driving because you must be perfectly concentrated on your driving at all time.

2 guys broke their car today (no accident but mechanical damage, probably from heat), tires and brakes always suffer badly, so why should I keep make me sick, risk damage to my car, abuse my tires and brakes, all of that not such a great excitement ? I left before the end of the day and ultimately, did not completed a single free tour of the circuit.

I know many of you really enjoy tracking, but it's definitely not for me!

if you got sick because you were a passenger, this is normal. i have sat in a few instructor's cars and sometimes feel a little sick myself after being swung around in their vehicle for half an hour.

i have never got motion sickness as a driver. however, there has been a couple of track days where i feel a little light headed while on the track... this was not due to the driving, it was due to the unfiltered exhaust fumes from other cars (especially bad when you have a lot of catless guys on track).

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by jackb

Pseudo
You should definitively check the TRM Motosport MT1
I saw some good reviews for them on M3Forum.net when I was looking at wheels
I just saw that the 18x9 ET32 are on closeout for $149 at Tirerack (reg $309) , that's a great track wheel that only weights 18.5lbs

If you're wondering about fitment I have 18x8 ET20 wheels (extend the same as the TRMs )with 235 tires up front on my 335xi lowered with Bilstein/Eibach combo with no issues and room to spare

here's a pic of the TRM on an E90

Hmmmmmmm. This looks very good indeed, might be an excellent alternative to OZ - 140 bucks is totally proper since I want to bang the wheels around on the track. Thanks for the heads up! I might grab these.

[Pseudo Nim]

Rats. 18x9 seems like too much for the front, no?

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

Rats. 18x9 seems like too much for the front, no?

i think you'd need 8.5 for the fronts. you can do 9 in the rear.

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by montreal red

i think you'd need 8.5 for the fronts. you can do 9 in the rear.

Yeah I have 8.5" now. I absolutely want to stay square, seeing as I have an AWD. Hrm.

[Heracles]

Originally Posted by Tonybest

Well you just saved yourself a ton of money. Tracking is an expensive hobby. and you are right, it isn't for everyone.

Now I don't get the part where you say you didn't get to complete a single free tour of the circuit... ??

What is a free tour?

I said "a free tour" as opposed to one behind the instructor for learning the circuit. Of course, everybody was free to do it at his own speed, but I started being sick even when doing the learning part behind the instructor at a reasonable speed.

Originally Posted by Tonybest

Were you a passenger or the driver? Because it's quite normal to get seasick while being a passenger. Not very common as a driver. (I never heard of someone getting seasick while driving.) Maybe you were already sick before the lapping started...

It starded as a driver, but increased rapidly when I switched to passenger with the instructor. I never recovered after that.

Originally Posted by Tonybest

If this was your first experience, I don't get why you couldn't drive gradually up to speed during all your sessions. How could you be driving at the limit on a first experience at a new track... because you said you needed to be perfectly concentrated on your driving at all time... Not the case if you are learning the track at your pace.

Who organized this track day?

It was an event by Jim Russel driving school. I was free to set my own limit, but may be I put it too high...

All others explanation are good points : vapor from everything, a visual focus changing too quickly, irregular breathing, not enough food in the stomach at first... I may well try a second time doing winter driving lesson but for the moment, I'm done for a while on track.

Thanks to all of you for your replies.

[jackb]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

Rats. 18x9 seems like too much for the front, no?

on 335xi Depends on your suspension setup
Stock no problem for 245/40/18
with Eibach/Bilstein will fit but will rub on full lock backing up(better with 235)
If you have H&R or Coils or if you want to run 255 all around you will have to roll fenders
here is a picture of my front wheel , 18x8 ET20 extend exactly the same as 18x9 ET32

[jackb]

here's an example of 18x9
he has 255 but they're narrow like 245s

Originally Posted by r.c.y.k.

here is mine, 18x9 +35, oem 255/35/18 RFT all around. oem sport suspension. No rubbing at all... rear has 10mm spacers.

[kenneth]

Heracles!

Sorry to hear of your bad first track experience. I think I can understand how hard it is to do a follow the leader on a track you don't know. You are constantly looking at the car in front of you, while having to deal with making it around the bends. Being a passenger is even worse, but the trick is to look faaaaar ahead. Nevertheless, you get jolted around way more than if you were the one holding the steering wheel.

Anyhow, if there is a second time, make sure it's not a follow the leader format, but with an instructor beside you. I am convinced, if you can drive on the road, twisty road and highway, you should be able to do it without getting sick.

My first track session was horrible, as I was doing everything wrong. It quickly got better in the next sessions though.

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

Yeah I have 8.5" now. I absolutely want to stay square, seeing as I have an AWD. Hrm.

yea in that case you probably want to stick to 8.5"

by the way, you dont have to stay square just because youre AWD. lots of AWD cars have been running staggered set ups.

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by montreal red

yea in that case you probably want to stick to 8.5"

by the way, you dont have to stay square just because youre AWD. lots of AWD cars have been running staggered set ups.

Fair enough - I am not staying square explicitly because of AWD I guess, but more for the ease of rotation - and since I am likely to get directional, rather than "outside/inside" wheels, I would have no choice but to rotate between front and back only, so I guess I should stick to square.

[M3 Montreal]

Who is doing Bimmers across the Border in august?

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

Who is doing Bimmers across the Border in august?

check the track thread. why dont you join the BMW QC one? august 11 and 12. tony and myself will be there.

[jgalaxy]

Originally Posted by Heracles

Hello guys,

Today was my first track experience. Not at all what I expected or hoped...

.
.


I know many of you really enjoy tracking, but it's definitely not for me!

Too bad. But like Antoine said ... you will be saving a fortune. I'm happy you made it through the day ok.

I personally suffer from sea sickness, but not in the car as driver or passenger on the track. I guess I'm lucky (huh?). Very expensive and addictive hobby.

Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

Rats. 18x9 seems like too much for the front, no?

You'll have to a check to see if anyone stuffed 18x9 up front with 255s. Whatever you do though ... get square setup!

I'm on 17x8.5 with 255s up front on the E92. No rubbing with Dirreza's or NT01s. Your mileage will vary on the E90.

[vanosracing]

Originally Posted by Heracles

Hello guys,

Today was my first track experience. Not at all what I expected or hoped...

Never in the past I've been sea sick or have sickness in airplane. But while racing on Mont-Tremblant, sickness started minutes after I hit the track. So uncomfortable! Also, there is not so much time for excitement while driving because you must be perfectly concentrated on your driving at all time.

2 guys broke their car today (no accident but mechanical damage, probably from heat), tires and brakes always suffer badly, so why should I keep make me sick, risk damage to my car, abuse my tires and brakes, all of that not such a great excitement ? I left before the end of the day and ultimately, did not completed a single free tour of the circuit.

I know many of you really enjoy tracking, but it's definitely not for me!

Heracles,

first time I hear of a driver feeling sick. As others have mentioned, it could happen if you are a passenger.

I would not give up that easily, you are probably extremely tense and nervous which makes you sick. Relax, start slowly and make your way up and keep it smooth. Sudden braking, accelerating, jerking of the steering wheel just adds stress. Keep it smooth and you should be fine. Keep in mind that it is a performant road car but nowhere near a race car.

I do admit that today's HPDE's are not the same as 10-years ago. On my first HPDE it was a mix of track, wet skidpad, heavy braking techniques to show you the limits of ABS, and cone tests.

Instead of being dumped onto the track, they would teach you the limits of your car and give you an extra comfort level.

The way they just dump you on the track today may not be optimum approach for some. And always remember, you feel your car thru your arse.

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by Heracles

I said "a free tour" as opposed to one behind the instructor for learning the circuit. Of course, everybody was free to do it at his own speed, but I started being sick even when doing the learning part behind the instructor at a reasonable speed.



It starded as a driver, but increased rapidly when I switched to passenger with the instructor. I never recovered after that.



It was an event by Jim Russel driving school. I was free to set my own limit, but may be I put it too high...

All others explanation are good points : vapor from everything, a visual focus changing too quickly, irregular breathing, not enough food in the stomach at first... I may well try a second time doing winter driving lesson but for the moment, I'm done for a while on track.

Thanks to all of you for your replies.

I would suggest you do BMW winter training. Speed is muuuch slower (you're on ice and snow) and you will drift around in 335i and do other low pressure exercises. No track. There will be a little autocross competition at the end combining all the day's activities (180, abs, drift, cones, etc)

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

Who is doing Bimmers across the Border in august?

I might bro. I talked to the guy for the event who was here at bogie and he confirmed that I can bring an inspection done 4-5 weeks before the event because I will have no time during my med rotation.

[Tonybest]

Originally Posted by vanosracing

Heracles,

first time I hear of a driver feeling sick. As others have mentioned, it could happen if you are a passenger.

I would not give up that easily, you are probably extremely tense and nervous which makes you sick. Relax, start slowly and make your way up and keep it smooth. Sudden braking, accelerating, jerking of the steering wheel just adds stress. Keep it smooth and you should be fine. Keep in mind that it is a performant road car but nowhere near a race car.

I do admit that today's HPDE's are not the same as 10-years ago. On my first HPDE it was a mix of track, wet skidpad, heavy braking techniques to show you the limits of ABS, and cone tests.

Instead of being dumped onto the track, they would teach you the limits of your car and give you an extra comfort level.

The way they just dump you on the track today may not be optimum approach for some. And always remember, you feel your car thru your arse.

most probably the reason for his seasickness was that he wasn't properly hydrated.