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      04-26-2013, 03:57 PM   #7481
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So I'm getting ready to add my e85 in (2 gallons) if I decide not to run it or don't see a vast difference is it something that I'll be able to stop using it and not cause problems, or is it like once you dump in e85 you better always do it?
no it doesn;t matter, use it whenever you want. Although you will notice a vast difference, if you don't it means you're running the wrong map
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no it doesn;t matter, use it whenever you want. Although you will notice a vast difference, if you don't it means you're running the wrong map

I'm gunna like it huh

Wait so I should I be running e30 maps with just 3 gallons?
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I'm gunna like it huh

Wait so I should I be running e30 maps with just 3 gallons?
Are you FBO?

E30 needs more than three gallons.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=e85calculator

use the link above to calculate how much you need to add, the second table specifically.

if you are adding E85 to correct the timing for an AGG stage1/1+/2+ tune then what you;re doing is fine... but for E30 you need to be FBO and use the calculator to add in. if your regular gas is 91, then target E40...

Also drive for a while (5-10 mins) before gunning it hard.
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Are you FBO?

E30 needs more than three gallons.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=e85calculator

use the link above to calculate how much you need to add, the second table specifically.

if you are adding E85 to correct the timing for an AGG stage1/1+/2+ tune then what you;re doing is fine... but for E30 you need to be FBO and use the calculator to add in. if your regular gas is 91, then target E40...

Also drive for a while (5-10 mins) before gunning it hard.
That. Yeah I'm on the fence about doing FBO + Turbo's and BBK until I'm sure these timings can be cleaned up.. No sense spending money on a horse that might be past its prime

I spent 30 minutes finding an actual authorized shell station and what a difference the tank has mad the last 4 have been awful..
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That. Yeah I'm on the fence about doing FBO + Turbo's and BBK until I'm sure these timings can be cleaned up.. No sense spending money on a horse that might be past its prime

I spent 30 minutes finding an actual authorized shell station and what a difference the tank has mad the last 4 have been awful..
Most of the time these corrections can be corrected. it's not only about fuel but also your hardware. Spark plugs, coils, etc...

My previous '07 E90 @ 89k was running 21psi and 16.5 degrees of timing with no drops...

and yes, I've seen huge difference from station to station.
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Most of the time these corrections can be corrected. it's not only about fuel but also your hardware. Spark plugs, coils, etc...

My previous '07 E90 @ 89k was running 21psi and 16.5 degrees of timing with no drops...

and yes, I've seen huge difference from station to station.
How long should I wait after adding to start logging? Would it just instantly change it with just 3 gallons?
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just went to Stage 2+ agr here is my log, I think it looks ok.
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Car seems to love 3.1 gallons! Hope the logs back up idle/ wot
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just went to Stage 2+ agr here is my log, I think it looks ok.
Looks good man, a very mild overboost at ~3700rpms but not enough to really cause throttle trimming or timing corrections so i wouldn't worry about it unless it gets worse(which it probably won't.)
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Looks good man, a very mild overboost at ~3700rpms but not enough to really cause throttle trimming or timing corrections so i wouldn't worry about it unless it gets worse(which it probably won't.)
Awesome thanks. Now what about not hitting load targets?
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Awesome thanks. Now what about not hitting load targets?
Load "targets" is a bit misleading. Think of it more as load "ceiling" because it is there to establish a max load that the DME will allow the engine to make. In fact, you don't want to hit/exceed load targets because odd things with timing tends to happen.

What's important is that you're hitting boost targets, as long as boost is on target then everything is as it should be as far as load is concerned.
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Awesome thank you very much. I am unable to use atr (stupid Mac) but I am thinking of a protune in the near future
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E85 looks to be a godsend although still looks like some corrections at the top end :/

DL1 = first wot immediately after e85
DL2 = after about 20 miles
DL3 = after about 32 miles

I was breaking the law very bad to get these I wonder if I got pulled over doing 100 over the officer would let me go because I was datalogging
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Awesome thank you very much. I am unable to use atr (stupid Mac) but I am thinking of a protune in the near future
i have a mac and use atr fine....
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i have a mac and use atr fine....
I thought it was for pc only?
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e85 question I used about a half tank after toping it off with e85 yesterday at what point on the fuel bar will I need to put more in.. I've never been a fan of running it down to the bottom bar.
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I thought it was for pc only?
you need parallels or another Virtual machine running on the mac.
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E85 looks to be a godsend although still looks like some corrections at the top end :/

DL1 = first wot immediately after e85
DL2 = after about 20 miles
DL3 = after about 32 miles

I was breaking the law very bad to get these I wonder if I got pulled over doing 100 over the officer would let me go because I was datalogging
well corrections can be due to other things beside octane

I'm glad you're liking it.
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e85 question I used about a half tank after toping it off with e85 yesterday at what point on the fuel bar will I need to put more in.. I've never been a fan of running it down to the bottom bar.
you want to keep a constant ratio, so when you add in gas you need to add both your base fuel and E85 to maintain whatever ratio you had. of course you don't have to be accurate to 10e-15 lol, but you get my point.

I hope you are logging STFT and LPFP actual just to amke sure you are not maxing out trims, and two LPFP is keeping up
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well corrections can be due to other things beside octane

I'm glad you're liking it.
Well I'm just glad it looks like I can wait a few weeks to do Plugs, Coils, exc. I had it all in my getparts cart waiting to see how these logs went

I'm also glad I went from two cylinders with multiple correction points going on down to one, and then that awful log where the entire log was corrections (thanks techron)

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you want to keep a constant ratio, so when you add in gas you need to add both your base fuel and E85 to maintain whatever ratio you had. of course you don't have to be accurate to 10e-15 lol, but you get my point.

I hope you are logging STFT and LPFP actual just to amke sure you are not maxing out trims, and two LPFP is keeping up
I wasn't as its on default logs I'll add those two to the ones I'll do today gives me a reason to drive more Stage1+FMIC
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Well I'm just glad it looks like I can wait a few weeks to do Plugs, Coils, exc. I had it all in my getparts cart waiting to see how these logs went



I wasn't as its on default logs I'll add those two to the ones I'll do today gives me a reason to drive more Stage1+FMIC

Don't throw parts at it! start with plugs they are cheap and take seriously 30 mins to install inlcuding taking all off and putting back together. IF you're generous swap the coils at the same time since they need to be removed anyway when you do the plugs
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Don't throw parts at it! start with plugs they are cheap and take seriously 30 mins to install inlcuding taking all off and putting back together. IF you're generous swap the coils at the same time since they need to be removed anyway when you do the plugs
Oh I can't do plugs (I can't even do oil yet) lol even if you gave me 6 hours I'd still probably brick the car

I might start playing with it when I get out of school and don't need a DD I've often considered just keeping this thing because I've grown so attached to the car then it would be ok if it was out of commission for weeks at a time.
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