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      01-21-2011, 08:02 PM   #67
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so your backing up your opinion on a car sounding good by saying it is cheap...
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Apparently, to the 500 actual buyers dishing out the cash the LFAs, it is not. Like economics say "consumer will pay what the market will bare". It is no one's business, but the buyers spending the cash that determine "fair market price".

I have never heard anyone here calling a $1.1 million dollar Zonda R, $1 million dollar carbon fiber Enzo Ferrari, $1.1 Million Veyron, $440,000 Ferrari 599 GTB HGTE or a $500 carbon fiber Porsche Carrera GT overpriced.

Yet, despite all the expensive engineering innovations (including new patents for technologies such as, inventing a complete new process to weave carbon fiber and machines that will be used to mass produce carbon fiber), capabilities, accolades and every luxury imaginable standard, a $375,000 Lexus LFA that is completely bespoke and shares nothing with anything else is singled out as "overpriced".

That is where the double-standards come into play that I am talking about and would have still been deemed overprice even if it was priced at $170,000 since it still would be challenging the status quo and Lexus should not be doing that.
Do you honestly believe that people who picked up LF-A's didn't think they are overpriced? Just because they have the capability to shell out the cash for one doesn't mean they think the price is justified. Hell, I could elect to spend $2000 on a fleshlight if I really wanted to - doesn't mean I don't think it's overpriced.
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A K20 Si starts at $21,000. This is real, NA performance from a universally acclaimed, robust (and soulful) engine at not very much money. If you have a car that you feel is just as good or even gets close at that bracket, show it.

About the B18, i can only imagine that you dont know much of it. It is a legendary engine and a true bargain. Each engine was hand finished by only the best Honda technicians before it went into the DC2 Integra Type-R.

All this is before you tune them.

Well I'm just going off of the thread title "best sounding exhaust period". When you throw in the price/value factor that's a different story. I'm not even considering an engine's overall characteristics when I think about its exhaust notes.

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Apparently, to the 500 actual buyers dishing out the cash the LFAs, it is not. Like economics say "consumer will pay what the market will bare". It is no one's business, but the buyers spending the cash that determine "fair market price".

I have never heard anyone here calling a $1.1 million dollar Zonda R, $1 million dollar carbon fiber Enzo Ferrari, $1.1 Million Veyron, $440,000 Ferrari 599 GTB HGTE or a $500 carbon fiber Porsche Carrera GT overpriced.

Yet, despite all the expensive engineering innovations (including new patents for technologies such as, inventing a complete new process to weave carbon fiber and machines that will be used to mass produce carbon fiber), capabilities, accolades and every luxury imaginable standard, a $375,000 Lexus LFA that is completely bespoke and shares nothing with anything else is singled out as "overpriced".

That is where the double-standards come into play that I am talking about and would have still been deemed overprice even if it was priced at $170,000 since it still would be challenging the status quo and Lexus should not be doing that.
I'd never call any of those logically priced either. I'm not even saying people shouldn't buy the car (hell if I had money out the ass there would be an LF-A in my stable). I'm just saying $375,000 is an insane amount of cash for a brand that's lacking in supercar cache. You've got the 458, LP570-4, and MP4-12C; all at LEAST $100,000 less. That's massive, and nearly impossible to dismiss.
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So you're telling me the DBS earlier sounds like angry bees?
No way. That V12 has some character to it. I'm sure if you fitted it with a more free-flowing exhaust it would start to resemble that mechanical bee noise, but tons of engines lose their characteristic tones when they're less muffled.
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this gets my vote as best sounding ever:

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I hope you know how to read.
Obviously I do, because someone else above backed up what my complaint was about your reasoning...
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Well I'm just going off of the thread title "best sounding exhaust period". When you throw in the price/value factor that's a different story. I'm not even considering an engine's overall characteristics when I think about its exhaust notes.


I'd never call any of those logically priced either. I'm not even saying people shouldn't buy the car (hell if I had money out the ass there would be an LF-A in my stable). I'm just saying $375,000 is an insane amount of cash for a brand that's lacking in supercar cache. You've got the 458, LP570-4, and MP4-12C; all at LEAST $100,000 less. That's massive, and nearly impossible to dismiss.

No way. That V12 has some character to it. I'm sure if you fitted it with a more free-flowing exhaust it would start to resemble that mechanical bee noise, but tons of engines lose their characteristic tones when they're less muffled.
these 458, LP570-4, and MP4-12C just don't seem that special. maybe to us poor people, but to a rich guy, those are entry level supercar at best.

i think many people justify the cost of the LFA based on 0-60 performance, but the thing is you can also argue that the z06 is fast/faster than an f430 at 1/3 the price...guess what I will take if i can afford both, f430.
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these 458, LP570-4, and MP4-12C just don't seem that special. maybe to us poor people, but to a rich guy, those are entry level supercar at best.

i think many people justify the cost of the LFA based on 0-60 performance, but the thing is you can also argue that the z06 is fast/faster than an f430 at 1/3 the price...guess what I will take if i can afford both, f430.
Well said. I love the new Ferrari FF even if it is very expensive for the same reason - motoring perfection. It is just a masterpiece.

Regarding LFA, aside from exclusivity, only 500 means higher cost to produce especially considering it is completely bespoke. Last time Toyota/Yamaha produced 363 copies of a bespoke racing car/supercar in 1968 (2000 GT), they go for over $200,000 today. Plus all the R&D that goes in is unlike any of those other cars.

Like Chris Harris said in the Evo UK 'car of the year'. 'There has been nothing that has felt this special since the Macca F1'.

Here is his old review:



Another one by hollywood celebrity/comedian Adam Carolla:







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Its so funny how defensive people get over their own opinions. Different people like different things, so no 1 person is correct in this sense. Let people enjoy what they like and dont bash them if its not the same as you.
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these 458, LP570-4, and MP4-12C just don't seem that special. maybe to us poor people, but to a rich guy, those are entry level supercar at best
Bro, what. They're some of the fastest cars out there, and their interiors are just as good as the LF-A's (design-wise, even better imo, though I love the LF-A's sliding tach/speedo). The corvette argument doesn't make sense considering these cars have great interiors as well. They might be "entry level" supercars, but their performance figures are some of the best for their brand.

It's a moot argument because like you said, the people that have cash to throw around will buy what they want.
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No way. That V12 has some character to it. I'm sure if you fitted it with a more free-flowing exhaust it would start to resemble that mechanical bee noise, but tons of engines lose their characteristic tones when they're less muffled.
Can you give me another example of what you're talking about (a video of some other car that sounds like what you're talking about)? Because the mechanical bee noise I think of is straight gears and tranny whine from a race car. That's why all the idiots complain about GT5 cars sounding like vacuums when you modify them. It's the tranny you're throwing into the car that does it. It drowns out the engine.
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Bro, what. They're some of the fastest cars out there, and their interiors are just as good as the LF-A's (design-wise, even better imo, though I love the LF-A's sliding tach/speedo). The corvette argument doesn't make sense considering these cars have great interiors as well. They might be "entry level" supercars, but their performance figures are some of the best for their brand.

It's a moot argument because like you said, the people that have cash to throw around will buy what they want.
You are entitled to your opinion, but it absolutely does not represent how Lexus went the extra mile to pay attention to detail was paid in the LFA well above the usual supercars. Why don't you stop arguing since I would hate to have this great thread locked. That is what those videos and reviews above prove by people who actually compared side by side.

To quote Chris Harris 'the attention to detail, fit and finish that has been lavished here knows no equal'.

Nearly everyone who has sat inside and driven all these cars say the samething (CarAndDriver, Adam Carolla, Evo magazine, AutoBild, TopGear Magazine etc.) that LFA has everything built to a much higher standard than these cars you mentioned such as, carbon fiber everything, everything standard down to 14 speakers stereo system and more attention to small details. (and all equipment is completely standard and no options, which is completely opposite to those other cars).

Pictures of LFAs being prep'ed for delivery to customers in USA (real aluminum and carbon fiber in the interior):














458 Italia (painted aluminum accents):



LP570-4 Superleggera interior:

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^ Superleggera's interior looks the best to me...
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You are entitled to your opinion, but it absolutely does not represent how Lexus went the extra mile to pay attention to detail was paid in the LFA well above the usual supercars. Why don't you stop arguing since I would hate to have this great thread locked. That is what those videos and reviews above prove by people who actually compared side by side.

To quote Chris Harris 'the attention to detail, fit and finish that has been lavished here knows no equal'.

Nearly everyone who has sat inside and driven all these cars say the samething (CarAndDriver, Adam Carolla, Evo magazine, AutoBild, TopGear Magazine etc.) that LFA has everything built to a much higher standard than these cars you mentioned such as, carbon fiber everything, everything standard down to 14 speakers stereo system and more attention to small details. (and all equipment is completely standard and no options, which is completely opposite to those other cars).

[b]Pictures of LFAs being prep'ed for delivery to customers in USA (real aluminum and carbon fiber in the interior):


458 Italia (painted aluminum accents):


LP570-4 Superleggera interior:
Give it a rest. I already called it a moot argument.
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I hate this forum. Way to ruin a good thread, people.

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330CIZHP is exactly right. you can just tell the interior fitment of the LFA is on another level compare to the 458 or lambo, even by picture alone. there is no comparison IMO.

btw that autoexpress review is awesome. I love the part where he demonstrated the surround sound of the exaust. Wow.

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There has to be like 3563765 threads arguing about LFA this LFA that

Let's get back to the whole point of this thread.



I like the 722 fir V8 sounds , and I'm digging this cammed C5 z06 too.

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Ferrari FXX gets my vote.

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Oh no's.. Not another LFA is better than every exotic car in the world thread...

As far as exhausts sound go, Ferrari is the champ in this department.

Thread..
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Oh no's.. Not another LFA is better than every exotic car in the world thread...

As far as exhausts sound go, Ferrari is the champ in this department.

Thread..
are you fwcking serious? my vtec kill it.
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