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      03-16-2015, 03:49 PM   #1
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Disable Procede Boost Control

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Is it possible to disable the procede's boost control, whilst maintaining the other functionalities like AFR biasing and CPS offsetting?
If so, how?

Does anyone know if individual cyl timing is loggable or not?
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Is it possible to disable the procede's boost control, whilst maintaining the other functionalities like AFR biasing and CPS offsetting?
If so, how?

Does anyone know if individual cyl timing is loggable or not?
Zero out bcdc table and pid control. Individual cyl no but knock yes. You can read knock but won't know what cyl is causing it. I ran out like that with great success
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Maybe a somewhat related question so I'll post here.
Is it possible to disable procede tuning and just use it for gauge hijacking?
Kinda like map0 with gauge hijack.
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Zero out bcdc table and pid control. Individual cyl no but knock yes. You can read knock but won't know what cyl is causing it. I ran out like that with great success
Do you mean zero out the wastegate duty cycle table?
If so, then do you enter zero's in the cell values or enter stock values = 34?

Does this then allow the DME to control boost?
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Is it possible to disable the procede's boost control, whilst maintaining the other functionalities like AFR biasing and CPS offsetting?
If so, how?

Does anyone know if individual cyl timing is loggable or not?
Zero out bcdc table and pid control. Individual cyl no but knock yes. You can read knock but won't know what cyl is causing it. I ran out like that with great success
What happens if you zero it all out but the overboost limit is still stuck at 20psi and you want to go over via flash? Will it still close the throttle and pull WGDC even if the procede is not controlling boost?
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Are you guys trying to run flash only? To answer the op original question you can just use the NA map 3 if you don't want any boost control.

To run flash only id set the boost offset to what the flash is set up for and remove the wg control wiring and just bridge them
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To run flash only id set the boost offset to what the flash is set up for and remove the wg control wiring and just bridge them
This is what OP is looking for; flash based boost control. Thanks for the goods.
Any pointers for wiring diagrams? I think I should be able to find these pin locations from old JB install directions.....

I'm sad that we have to rely on the knock noise, I haven't been able to use my Bav Technic cable to log individual cyl advance [language barrier, the interface, the logging sample rate, etc] but I guess I'll go back to barking up that tree.
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To run flash only id set the boost offset to what the flash is set up for and remove the wg control wiring and just bridge them
This is what OP is looking for; flash based boost control. Thanks for the goods.
Any pointers for wiring diagrams? I think I should be able to find these pin locations from old JB install directions.....

I'm sad that we have to rely on the knock noise, I haven't been able to use my Bav Technic cable to log individual cyl advance [language barrier, the interface, the logging sample rate, etc] but I guess I'll go back to barking up that tree.
Black connector iirc has the wg wires. Don't hold that to me though, jb wiring would be the best place to look. I haven't done this for my self so I don't know how the procede will handle it. I haven't looked into the interface in a while.
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As far as I know, boost is controlled by whichever is targeting higher. E.g. If the procede targets 20 but the dme targets 18 then the boost will be controlled by the procede and vice versa.

I have tested this to some degree as I had my procede targeting 15-16psi in map 1 but it would hit 18-19 due to the flash load targets.

What I haven't tried though is what happens if the Cobb flash targets higher than 20psi. As the procede overboost limit is maxed out at 20psi in the firmware normally it will start to pull WGDC to reduce boost but if it's not controlling boost I don't know exactly what will happen. I.e. Whether it will try and close the throttle to reduce the overboost. I guess maybe I could reduce the procede overboost delay reaction to something obscene like 20 seconds which would maybe stop it from reacting in any way.

I might try and test this out at lower limits and see what happens.
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