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      02-06-2011, 04:22 PM   #1
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335i 1st impressions v 335d

quick post on my recent swap from the 335d touring to the 335i coupe manual, both cars are m-sport ,

had the coupe 4days now and my touring is quicker (it was mapped)....not sure if the coupe is mapped, but having read posts on remapped 335 I I do not thinks so.

The diesel delivers a sledgehammer acceleration right to a ton with ease, no work, just a wallop kind of pull, I can't remember ever getting burnt off in the D.

having done 20k in the D over the last 18months( ave30mpg) i was getting bored, I wanted a manual again.

What a total different drive the coupe is, proper involving drive, a gearbox you have to work, it's what I had been yearning for... I love the tune of the petrol, the car rewards the drivers at all levels, noise, pace, handling etc....but it ain't as quick as the D, but I ain't bothered by this, it's not total pace that drew me to the coupe, the ride is just as hard but not crashy like the Touring, (same tyres)....I don't have to dodge the potholes quite so much, I have the professional dab radio which is a big improvement on the business set up,

the coupe has ave 25 mpg over the 1st 300 miles, so looking forward to many more.

So two very different cars, both pretty brilliant 335's IMO.
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Big wedges of low down torque always lull one in thinking a car is faster than it actually is.
Put a Performancebox in it and go for a hard drive.
Most people wont be surprised by the results.
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Seems strange that the 335i gets 25mpg and the 335d only gets 30mpg.

Given the petrol is faster I really can't see the advantage of the diesel. 30mpg seems wrong for a diesel.
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Glad your loving the 335i, your very right though a mapped 335d will muller a standard 335i. Get that to 420HP and it will be great!
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Glad your loving the 335i, your very right though a mapped 335d will muller a standard 335i. Get that to 420HP and it will be great!
same can be said for the petrol
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coupe and manual is the way to go!!!
Nah, 335i DCT, now that's a great combo
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same can be said for the petrol
I think that's what he mean't. The 335i's can achieve 420bhp and in a manual coupe it would be pretty special.
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Nah, 335i DCT, now that's a great combo
Agreed, but it's simply not as good as 335i manual. DCT may be faster, but I want to really feel those gear changes and get involved. DCT just too superslick for me.
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Agreed, but it's simply not as good as 335i manual. DCT may be faster, but I want to really feel those gear changes and get involved. DCT just too superslick for me.
I'm kind of in the same boat. The 335i manual is hard to find it seems.
Nothing like a bit of heal and toe, or shift locking the back to get a drift going
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I'm kind of in the same boat. The 335i manual is hard to find it seems.
Nothing like a bit of heal and toe, or shift locking the back to get a drift going

Manual gearbox all da way!!!...

heal toe!!!

and while cornering when u hav one hand on the wheel and the other holding the stick for optimum gear change while you exit....heavennnnnnnnn
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Put a Performancebox in it and go for a hard drive.
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+1

But a remapped 335d (even as a touring) is REALLY fast. Probably on par with a standard E92 335i, maybe slightly faster in lower speed regions due to the automatic gearbox.

Anyway, remap the 335i and it's a different story... And for me the petrol is easier to handle on a track as well, with the 335d the torque hits too suddenly and you lose traction (even with an LSD).

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+1

But a remapped 335d (even as a touring) is REALLY fast. Probably on par with a standard E92 335i, maybe slightly faster in lower speed regions due to the automatic gearbox.

Anyway, remap the 335i and it's a different story... And for me the petrol is easier to handle on a track as well, with the 335d the torque hits too suddenly and you lose traction (even with an LSD).

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might be worth looking at these attached figures from performance car. I'd say the car's are pretty evenly matched & any differences are probably just down to where the car is changing gear.

They raced both tuned cars around the track & the diesel won & they were convinced that the 335i was faster which is what you are saying.

Don't really know how anyone can say one is faster either way.
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might be worth looking at these attached figures from performance car. I'd say the car's are pretty evenly matched & any differences are probably just down to where the car is changing gear.

They raced both tuned cars around the track & the diesel won & they were convinced that the 335i was faster which is what you are saying.

Don't really know how anyone can say one is faster either way.
How much did the 335d win by?
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They are indeed very similar, skillfully made so by BMW, one to appeal to Derv lovers and one to petrol heads and still be very equal in the pub-talk stakes.

The 100% auto in the 335d may not appeal to some here - but 90%+ of 335i are autos anyway.

As in an EVO review against the latest S4, they ran an auto 335i because, in their words "who buys manuals in this class anyway?"

I wanted to shout "I do", but the stats speak for themselves.

Nice to see BMW have stuck to Manual only for the new 1M coupe (as the autos and DCT are all too heavy and detract from the driving experience in the words of M division), makes me feel better!
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Nice to see BMW have stuck to Manual only for the new 1M coupe (as the autos and DCT are all too heavy and detract from the driving experience in the words of M division), makes me feel better!
Talk about convincing yourself of marketing hype Mike, think it's more to do with keeping costs down, they're being a bit tight with the 1M when you start to look closely.

The M3 is available in a choice of both gearboxes but DCT seems to be the preferred option and the one that holds the best value. I think options for the customer are the key words here.

Personally when you've got a petrol engine with a turbo on it, then I think the manual/dual clutch debate is that much closer and harder to seperate simply because of the torque factor and power delivery of the car.

Interesting figures posted by jimmlad though. I reckon the whole 'sensation' of the cars attaining those figures way may feel quite different.
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How much did the 335d win by?
heres some of the article. Only a couple of seconds down on an M3 as well. I think it's been mentioned a few times that the 335d can feel a bit dull but I think that's cos it's so so effortless with no drama.

And some say torque doesn't matter.
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think it's more to do with keeping costs down, they're being a bit tight with the 1M when you start to look closely.

The M3 is available in a choice of both gearboxes but DCT seems to be the preferred option and the one that holds the best value. I think options for the customer are the key words here.
IMO the thought of a clutch replacement scares many off.
And the fact that some are just lazy and CBA to shift gears.
Conversely, a woman who drives 'stick' in the USA is generally highly respected
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Nah, 335i DCT, now that's a great combo
Never driven a 335i with DCT, my manual was great but i would definately test drive a DCT 335 if i was buying one in future.
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IMO the thought of a clutch replacement scares many off.
And the fact that some are just lazy and CBA to shift gears.
Conversely, a woman who drives 'stick' in the USA is generally highly respected
Clutch replacement of a dual clutch system?

I don't understand why the RS3 is being launched with S tronic as standard as it costs more yet same engine as mine which came out in manual first but now available with s tronic, yet the 1M is being launched in manual with no option of DCT unlike the M3. Think both manufacturers have done it in a strange way tbh. Why can't the cars be offered with both gearbox options.

And friggin sat. nav is standard on the RS3 and isn't on mine or the RS5.

Women in the UK obviously are more used to handling a stick I reckon and know what to do with it.

Actually some women over here in any form of auto would be dangerous imo..........I meant to press the brake pedal officer.

Edit: See what you mean now, you're on about a manual clutch in a M3 but shouldn't be any problems there as surely it's the twisting motion of torque that could rip up a gearbox.

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Talk about convincing yourself of marketing hype Mike, think it's more to do with keeping costs down, they're being a bit tight with the 1M when you start to look closely.
The M3 is available in a choice of both gearboxes but DCT seems to be the preferred option and the one that holds the best value. I think options for the customer are the key words here.

Personally when you've got a petrol engine with a turbo on it, then I think the manual/dual clutch debate is that much closer and harder to seperate simply because of the torque factor and power delivery of the car.

Interesting figures posted by jimmlad though. I reckon the whole 'sensation' of the cars attaining those figures way may feel quite different.
Spot on Helen - DCT only adds 25 kg to the car and on a 1500+ kg 1M the weight issue is moot. The reason the 1M is not available with M DCT is because the car has been developed very fast and on a tight budget and also a 1M with this transmission would be uncomfortably close to a manual M3's performance.
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Spot on Helen - DCT only adds 25 kg to the car and on a 1500+ kg 1M the weight issue is moot. The reason the 1M is not available with M DCT is because the car has been developed very fast and on a tight budget and also a 1M with this transmission would be uncomfortably close to a manual M3's performance.
Cheers Steve, I was trying to find how much a dual clutch gearbox weighs!

Think you're right actually although I would have thought BMW could rest easy as the 1M is a totally different market 'type' than the M3, because no matter how good the 1M may be it won't offer the overall package as a sports coupe whatever and be as 'Jeckyll and Hyde' if you see what I mean. Maybe just the way I think.
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