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      03-20-2007, 10:31 PM   #45
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You've only raced a stock M3 once and that was the story you shared correct?

I've raced 335i's about 4 times now and I have yet to lose to it. I've mentioned it before, they were all 3-4+ cars behind by the top of 4th gear around 120mph. That's my real world experience as well.

A very close friend of mine is getting a 335i soon. Of course he will be stock and so will I (except the intake). I will surely be posting videos of our races from a stop, roll or just about anything you guys request.
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      03-20-2007, 11:02 PM   #46
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Ive raced stock m3's. And fully bolt on m3's.

Stock for stock its a drivers race.

When I was stock even at a roll its basicly neck and neck.

This subject is gettng so beat down. Why dont you guys just meet up and race each other and tell us how it goes?
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here's some more fuel for the fire...

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M3tor2nR..."Read the reviews. They all say the 335i is a fast car that's only slightly slower than the E46 M3. The word "slower" is used because it IS still slower"...
an excerpt from an Edmunds review...

..."Our freshly minted 3 Series twin-turbo coupe has not only eclipsed BMW's own impressive performance figures by a ton it's also smoked those of the 2005 BMW M3 Competition Package, a car we called "The Best M3 Ever Sold in America." And while that admittedly turbo-deprived car had been a six-speed manual, the Arctic Metallic 2007 BMW 335i Coupe cooling in the driveway is but an automatic. Nothing about our Austrian First Drive of the car prepared us for this.

More than half fast
Consider the facts: This 2007 BMW 335i test car blazed from zero to 60 in 4.8 seconds. BMW says the new coupe mit twin-turbo engine and Steptronic six-speed autobox should make that trip in 5.5 seconds. Seven-tenths of a second quicker? That's 13-percent better than BMW's claim. Folks give aftermarket tuners wads of cash for that kind of performance bump, especially when a car starts out in the mid 5s to begin with.

Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph. For comparison, our 2005 M3 Competition Package used up 5.5 seconds getting to 60 and finished the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 105.4 mph close, but still a rearview-mirror performance. We almost beat the all-powerful 2007 Audi RS4, too. Despite a 120-horsepower advantage and all-wheel-drive launch superiority, it just nicked our 335i's 0-60 and quarter-mile times by a paltry 0.1 second each"....


Keep it up boys...
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K, i don't think the people that have never driven, nor own an E46 M3 should be allowed to post in this thread...keep digging up magazine stats


I own both cars, i race the opposite, i feel the difference, i know the facts...lets end this right here and go have a drink...
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K, i don't think the people that have never driven, nor own an E46 M3 should be allowed to post in this thread...keep digging up magazine stats
  • I have driven M3's more times than I can count over the last 10 years...
  • The mag article was in response to M3tor2nR's post...no digging required.

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you guys weren't joking about the most hated question thread were you
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The fastest published times of the M3 are quicker and faster than those of the 335i. A 13.7 qtr mile would be a very slow sample for the M3. My fastest times in my M3 are 2mph faster than that of the 335i. Down low, the 335i pulls very good, but the way the stock 335i tapers off at higher RPMs is so disappointing compared to the way the M3 powerband is. As long as its cold weather, at sea level, the M3 feels pretty responsive even down at 3000 RPM. Im not going to repost all my graphs, but my fastest times of my M3 are definitely better than my best 335i times. I would take 20 more horsepower in the 335i to keep up with my M3 as far as 1/4 mile terminal speed. But the 335i is so strong down low with great torque, it would be very easy to surprise a M3 on a roll on situation. But the high speed fwy stability on the M3 is so much more confidence inspiring. Whereas the 335i almost feels twitchy at high speeds, the M3 feels hunkered down and relaxed. And the instantaneous throttle response in the M3 is second to none. Put the throttle switch on sport, and the response of the 6 individual throttle bodies is lightning quick. I like the 335i for the sleeper element and luxury, but for the hard edge sportiness, the M3 is more involving. My 335i only has 1200 miles on it, so maybe it will get faster, just as my M3 has with 12000 miles on it. But with my 335i clocking low 13's at over 105mph, and 0-60 in 4.75 seconds, it runs pretty close. I ran my two cars together impromptu from a stop, and yes its basically a drivers race, whoever gets the jump with cars this close in performance. Its just that the 335i is so effortless, and the M3 requires some pretty good driving/shifting skills to get the most performance out of it. Two totally different character cars with similar performance. Hitting on/off ramps, curves at higher speeds, the M3 definitely seems more composed. And then again, the 335i has its own list of advantages too.

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  • I have driven M3's more times than I can count over the last 10 years...
  • The mag article was in response to M3tor2nR's post...no digging required.

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It's been out for 6 years, so you must've been driving an E36 all a long...oh okay that makes sense..


And the article you mentioned...who the hell was driving the E46 M3? 0-60 in 5.5 and 1/4 mile in 13.7? My grand can do better than that, and she's paralyzed on her left side...
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It's been out for 6 years, so you must've been driving an E36 all a long...oh okay that makes sense..


And the article you mentioned...who the hell was driving the E46 M3? 0-60 in 5.5 and 1/4 mile in 13.7? My grand can do better than that, and she's paralyzed on her left side...
Maybe it was at 7000Ft elevation, LOL.
And yes, the 335i definitely has the advantage at higher elevations.
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i very much enjoy reading your posts. i always learn something. keep up the good work!
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You've only raced a stock M3 once and that was the story you shared correct?

I've raced 335i's about 4 times now and I have yet to lose to it. I've mentioned it before, they were all 3-4+ cars behind by the top of 4th gear around 120mph. That's my real world experience as well.

A very close friend of mine is getting a 335i soon. Of course he will be stock and so will I (except the intake). I will surely be posting videos of our races from a stop, roll or just about anything you guys request.
Listen this kid came from E46FANATICS and ALL OF HIS POSTS are ALWAYS swayed towards M3 winning. The M3 is his dream car and he just doesn't want to admit to the M3 BEING OLDER AND SLOWER THAN THE 335I
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i very much enjoy reading your posts. i always learn something. keep up the good work!
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Im almost sure once my 335 gets PROceded, my supercharged e36 M3 wont come out of the garage anymore. I hardly take it out now as it is since I got my bike, its only going to get worse Im feeling.
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It's been out for 6 years, so you must've been driving an E36 all a long...oh okay that makes sense..


And the article you mentioned...who the hell was driving the E46 M3? 0-60 in 5.5 and 1/4 mile in 13.7? My grand can do better than that, and she's paralyzed on her left side...
I must've been driving an E36 all along, huh?

I've driven E30's, E36's, and E46's, but for obvious reasons I'm talking about the E46 M3 here...as I posted earlier (both '04 E46's...you must have missed that)

As far as the article; It doesn't matter who was driving, & I don't care... M3tor2nR's post said: "...Read the reviews. They all say the 335i is a fast car that's only slightly slower than the E46 M3..." I posted one to the contrary...Big deal...

No reason to belittle a member for a constructive post. Grow up!

This thread constitutes the "gazillionth time" this has been discussed anyway...Just like when members ask "where can I get PROcede?"

I'm over it.


It's a DRIVER'S RACE. DIE THREAD DIE!!!
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i did it yesterday in a 4dr auto saloon loaner 335!!! rofl
i pulled up in front of him with my buddy and we went at it i was pulling the whole time from 50 to about 130....he came up next to me and said damn that is fast...also i had my 300lb buddy in the passenger seat...car rocks hands down.. oh and it was an 05-06 e46 m3 coupe...my buddy drives an sti and we went at it and i was pulling on hime once we hit 65-75 sand the higher it went the more i pulled...my buddy was so damn impressed...i had my e34 in for service for a coolant light that's how i got it for the weekend no less...plus i do have one awaiting shipping from Germany as we speak!!!! need a boat though!!!
and a coupe with sports package is even a little quicker cause of weight.....
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and a coupe with sports package is even a little quicker cause of weight.....


isnt it only like 27lbs?
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K, i don't think the people that have never driven, nor own an E46 M3 should be allowed to post in this thread...keep digging up magazine stats


I own both cars, i race the opposite, i feel the difference, i know the facts...lets end this right here and go have a drink...
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I hate to be sucked in, but I drove my buddies M3 a few times a month (I was in law school at the time so I had no money and he knew how much I LOVE BMWs) for almost a year, and I can say that although my my 335i coupe will stick with my buddies M3 (SMG) nose for nose, and perhaps get a jump in certain situations when GREATER torque is key, overall, the M3 IS A RACING car. The enginge, suspension and transmission all scream SPORTS CAR in a coupe camouflage and when it comes to the track, I don't think my car could keep up at all with the M3 being driven by a good driver.

But that is just MHOP, and I could be wrong.

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It's been out for 6 years, so you must've been driving an E36 all a long...oh okay that makes sense..


And the article you mentioned...who the hell was driving the E46 M3? 0-60 in 5.5 and 1/4 mile in 13.7? My grand can do better than that, and she's paralyzed on her left side...
Yeah, the one thing about this whole post that made no sense to me is that article quoting 5.5 on 0-60 for the M3. I read that article when it came out and when I read it then I thought the driver must have been drunk or something, cause WE ALL KNOW and can agree that an E46 can hit 60 in 4.7-4.8 secs
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isnt it only like 27lbs?
Yeah, its not a big difference, I guess the only real difference between the sedan and the coupe is the coupe sits much lower and has the ZF AT, while the sedan has a GM AT, but really, these differences only really help in turns, not that much in 0-60, but I guess in this anal post were are all having, a tenth of a sec makes a difference......or maybe not
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Yeah, its not a big difference, I guess the only real difference between the sedan and the coupe is the coupe sits much lower and has the ZF AT, while the sedan has a GM AT, but really, these differences only really help in turns, not that much in 0-60, but I guess in this anal post were are all having, a tenth of a sec makes a difference......or maybe not
Wrong. Both the 335i coupe and Sedan have the ZF AT. The 328 has the GM sourced transmission.
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Yeah, its not a big difference, I guess the only real difference between the sedan and the coupe is the coupe sits much lower and has the ZF AT, while the sedan has a GM AT, but really, these differences only really help in turns, not that much in 0-60, but I guess in this anal post were are all having, a tenth of a sec makes a difference......or maybe not
Mesier1111, the 335 sedan automatic is the ZF 6HP19TU (aka 6HP21). The transmissions in the coupe and sedan are the same.

As a matter of fact, all of the automatics in the 3 series for 2007 are made by ZF. (6HP19 or 6HP21 in the gas cars and 6HP26 or 6HP26TU in the diesel)
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