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      03-10-2007, 02:45 PM   #23
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seriously, why not the procede
Wanted a BMW tuner branded product and unwilling to wait.
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RDsport/Racing Dynamics Spa has been tuning BMW's for much longer than many other companies.
Make sure you know where your product is actually coming from. They are not the same companies anymore.

Taken from the actual Racing Dynamics SPA website:

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any new product sold in the U.S. and Canada under the Racing Dynamics brand name, after January 1, 2003, is most likely NOT manufactured by Racing Dynamics S.p.A., therefore, no assurances can be given that it is an original Racing Dynamics S.p.A. product. If you are located in the U.S. and Canada, and intend to purchase the original tuning products from Racing Dynamics S.p.A., please insist with your retailer that you expect to receive and will only accept RDSport® brand products."
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Maybe so, but their s/w obviously doesn't make the necessary changes to make the huge increase the HP and TQ like you had on the XEDE; theirs only increases +45WHP and +40RWTQ...for more money. Plus, Shiv has even mentioned that he would be willing to come out with another map for the PROcede with less HP and TQ for those concerned with increasing to a level that pushes the envelope.
Just commenting here

RDsport is coming out with more aggressive maps.

Black Box $1500 retail

Proceed $1300

Difference $200 which is very marginal


Turner Motorsports (CHIP) $2499 and the power is very similar to The Black Box
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So let me get this straight... its the older XEDE hardware, its got a ton more wires in the harness from the looks of it, it only gets 45/40+ HP/TQ, and it costs MORE?

hmmm... PROcede FTW!

To each their own.

That is a file photo and not taken by me and not exactly sure how many wires there are but pretty sure that whole thing is not under there. I could be wrong...
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Looks like someone has a day job as a copywriter for infomercials. It was just missing the line of copy "Call in the next 15 minues and get 2 for the price of one and as our free no obligation gift to you....."

hahhahahahhahhaa....NO
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I live 5 miles from Marina Del Rey. I would feel much more comfortable having the install shop local. BTW, I am glad some of the people that post on this forum can spell the word F.U.C.K. I just hope their other 12 year old friends don't start posting as well.



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Just commenting here

RDsport is coming out with more aggressive maps.

Black Box $1500 retail

Proceed $1300

Difference $200 which is very marginal


Turner Motorsports (CHIP) $2499 and the power is very similar to The Black Box
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html...2&subcat_id=20
Well, everyone thinks turner is blind on this one. Moving on though, you say the $200 is marginal. But you just paid that $200 more for the "hope" they come out with more aggressive maps when for $200 less you could have had the most aggressive mapping on the market NOW. And even then theres more in the future coming from Shiv.
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not trying to sound like a dick.

but that write up sounded fake.

other than that. nice to see that other companies comming out with stuff.

it will make the 335 market a lot better with competition

no offense taken. Just curious to know, why do you think it sounds fake?

I am very happy to see others coming out with products as well.

Turner has re-map available as well
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So RD sport IS the brand of Racing Dynamics Spa. The famous Bmw tuner. However, Vishnu has turbo car mapping experience that RD does not have. Brand of a car is irrelevant. I bet the RD map is outsourced, as its not their core competence.
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no sam we don't wanna see that...sry you bought an inferior product and trusted people who you shouldn't have and i am sry for people being asses on here...but it looks like you f%%cked up son!!! the procede is way better on 91 octane so why do we need to see others!!! it should go up accordingly!!!
Happy with what I got and just wanted to share it along with my opinions. In no way will I be offended or will this affect my day
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sam dont take it the wrong way.

im not sure if youve been hanging around the forums before youve posted or not, but people will defend shivs product including myself.

shiv has been with us from the begining and has explained how his product works very extensivly.

a lot of the people on the forum even the non 335 owners know how well the procede has worked on the car and how well shivs customer care/ service is.

no ones calling your product crap. it will just take a bit more information for us to justify buying it when we can get equal or better costumer serivce from a different manufactuer with better power gains and cheaper.

also before you bring up the 91 octane thing. i myself have dynoed 330 rwhp and 370wtq just with this piggy back on 91 octane.

sorry in advanced if anyone has offended your purcahse.

like i said before its nice to have more companies taking an interest in the 335
Thank you, not taking anything the wrong way as this is a discussion forum, hopefully. It is understood that the Xede/Procede has been on the market for some time.

Haven't been on the forum much. It is understood that people will defend what they know especially when it makes more power. Not trying to get people to change over, just letting people know that there are options.

Shiv sounds to be doing a great job keeping you guys involved.

Thank you for being straight up. What other information should be provided? Having read some forums, it is funny how when you post lots of information, it sounds fake and when you don't post enough then it gets questioned to death. It was installed on Thursday and this wasn't posted till Friday due to wanting to put together proper opinions and information to best of my ability.

The only reason I mention the octane thing was because someone posted the numbers for 93. Not saying that Shiv's product does not put down the claimed numbers.

Thank you for your regard. Not offended at all, just figured that this information should be shared

Only makes sense that a company like RDsport takes an interest in this car as they are an exclusive BMW tuner.

Also, I mention RDsport/Racing Dynamics Spa to not be confused with Electodyne/Racing Dynamics USA people
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after reading the past two pages...

I'm glad I have a 330. After I get passed by all the 335's, then get passed by Finnvette's re-manifolded 325, then get passed by the re-tuned 328's...

I'll have the slowest e9x on earth and STILL be happy.
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Make sure you know where your product is actually coming from. They are not the same companies anymore.

Taken from the actual Racing Dynamics SPA website:

"We apologize for this situation and wish to reiterate to the BMW community that:

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Thank You

This product is from RDsport/Racing Dynamics Spa and not Electrodyne

Creative Autoworks is listed as one of their Dealers
http://racdyn.com/Localized/NorthAme...D_NA_Intro.cfm
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The other side of the story

Here in Australia I used the Xede to tune my own 335i. Rumour has it, that Vishnu dropped the Xede because he is either using a rebadged Haltec, or he figured he could make more money copying the Xede and making it himself.

It seems strange, to say the least, that they used the Xede for applications on the Japanese cars, which have more components to control, and now they feel that they need a different platform for the BMW.

The Xede guys are prepared to expand their unit capabilities if need be, so why didn't Vishnu take this route?

I think it is always important to hear the 2 sides of a story, instead of just buying the hipe coming from one of the parties involved.
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Well, everyone thinks turner is blind on this one. Moving on though, you say the $200 is marginal. But you just paid that $200 more for the "hope" they come out with more aggressive maps when for $200 less you could have had the most aggressive mapping on the market NOW. And even then theres more in the future coming from Shiv.

Certainly Turner will have customers for this. They are a big company and they are offering software.

How much did you guys pay for installation or was it all DIY?

$1500 included installation. I don't want to touch anything as messing around with something unfamiliar is not my thing.

Certainly there will be more maps in the future from RDsport.

Guess it is going to have to come down to a race
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Curious?

I did hear from one of the Xede guys that they were working with a European BMW Tuner and that they were getting the complete schematics of the Siemens DME from them. They implied that this cooperation could lead to a new and revised unit and/or software.

After reading your posts, I am wondering if they are working with Racing Dynamics. Can anyone confirm?
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So RD sport IS the brand of Racing Dynamics Spa. The famous Bmw tuner. However, Vishnu has turbo car mapping experience that RD does not have. Brand of a car is irrelevant. I bet the RD map is outsourced, as its not their core competence.
Yes. Yes.

Can't comment on someone else's products in depth as it is not my position.

I guess RDsport and Turner share similar views when it comes to performance. Both BMW only sources

"It’s ready, we are one of the first in the USA to offer reliable dyno developed performance software for the 335 - and it makes GREAT POWER (+35hp at the wheels over stock and +34lb/ft of torque over stock) That’s 367hp and 372lb ft of torque. Can you say faster than a M3 ? This software for the 335 is a reprogram of the current software in your engine computer (not a "piggy back" system or a "soldier job") There are no down sides of this modification, we modify fuel and spark mapping, adjust the throttle and most importantly INCREASE THE BOOST (to a safe reliable amount) This is the perfect upgrade for someone who wants a dramatic boost in power especially in the low to mid-range - Check out the dyno sheet, with the Stage 1 TMS performance software your car will have much more torque at 2700 RPM (+26lb/ft at the wheels!) If you are in the Boston area, make an appointment to stop by for a road test - Our 335 with this software is simply awesome! (91 or higher octane gasoline is required) Stage 2 will be out mid summer and is expected to make 400hp. Please keep in mind that with a "turbo car" it is "easy" to make horsepower by increasing boost BUT keeping your BMW reliable the most important thing to Turner motorsport., we may be a little conservative with our software but its better than the alternative."

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after reading the past two pages...

I'm glad I have a 330. After I get passed by all the 335's, then get passed by Finnvette's re-manifolded 325, then get passed by the re-tuned 328's...

I'll have the slowest e9x on earth and STILL be happy.

Being happy is what is important. At least we can

Right with you, with the "The Black Box", the other cars might pass me but will be all the way
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Here in Australia I used the Xede to tune my own 335i. Rumour has it, that Vishnu dropped the Xede because he is either using a rebadged Haltec, or he figured he could make more money copying the Xede and making it himself.

It seems strange, to say the least, that they used the Xede for applications on the Japanese cars, which have more components to control, and now they feel that they need a different platform for the BMW.

The Xede guys are prepared to expand their unit capabilities if need be, so why didn't Vishnu take this route?

I think it is always important to hear the 2 sides of a story, instead of just buying the hipe coming from one of the parties involved.
Glad to hear that you use the Xede. The Xede does not seem to be a product exclusive to Vishnu/Shiv. What they do is none of my business but information is always welcome.

Thanks for the info.
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I did hear from one of the Xede guys that they were working with a European BMW Tuner and that they were getting the complete schematics of the Siemens DME from them. They implied that this cooperation could lead to a new and revised unit and/or software.

After reading your posts, I am wondering if they are working with Racing Dynamics. Can anyone confirm?

If this is true and it is RDsport then RDsport's resources must be very good.

Personally, can't confirm
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after reading the past two pages...

I'm glad I have a 330. After I get passed by all the 335's, then get passed by Finnvette's re-manifolded 325, then get passed by the re-tuned 328's...

I'll have the slowest e9x on earth and STILL be happy.
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It's difficult to overcome the buzz and inertia created by Shiv. This is a popular board and he had the foresight to walk us all through his development process. Would have served other tuners well to do the same thing. Why they chose not to is their business. I'm sure they had their reasons.

However, I for one would like to know what real world experience the other tuners have with their product. I know they dynoed, tested, redynoed, and retested. But what else have they done? Shiv, being at least as good a marketer as he is a tuner, was able to get quite a number of people to pay to be beta testers. They all did so willingly and most, if not all, seem glad they did. I'm sure glad they did. I know their feedback helped immensely with development.

If others want to come and hawk their wares, we should welcome them with open arms. However, Shiv has set the standard. Other than dyno runs, tell us what real world experience you have in the development of your product. And, like another poster said, it would be a good idea not to use language that sounds like an infomercial.
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