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      05-08-2017, 06:01 PM   #1
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CTS Turbo intercoolers. any data?

I know the VW Audi guys use them, any BMW experience with CTST's 7" intercoolers?
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      05-08-2017, 06:05 PM   #2
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Not much info on it.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&highlight=cts
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      05-08-2017, 08:28 PM   #3
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It's a direct copy of our intercooler down to the lower chargepipe but it uses a less dense fin pack.
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It's a direct copy of our intercooler down to the lower chargepipe but it uses a less dense fin pack.
Who did you copy the design from?
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      05-08-2017, 10:35 PM   #5
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Who did you copy the design from?
Are you going to follow that accusation up with a actual facts?

We were the first to offer a cast end tank 7" intercooler that didn't use OEM inlets, there was nobody to copy. This on the other hand is an exact replica of our end tanks with an inferior fin pack.
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I bought this one around December, Havnt done any dynos or anything, so cant tell you how good it truly is..

The fitment I really nice, the silicone tubing is on the cheap side ( very squishy and flimsy) you have to cut. They state that you do not, but you do..

They shipped me the wrong ic first.. Then they personally came to my house to swap me the correct one.. But then they forgot the lower charge pipe.. So he had to come to my house again to deliver it..

So if you buy it, make sure they pack everything and ship the right one!
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      05-09-2017, 01:11 AM   #7
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Are you going to follow that accusation up with a actual facts?

We were the first to offer a cast end tank 7" intercooler that didn't use OEM inlets, there was nobody to copy. This on the other hand is an exact replica of our end tanks with an inferior fin pack.

Fact: You copied your Version 1 7" intercooler design from HPF. A few years later you came up with cast end tanks. How do I know? Cause I was one of the first person that bought your 7" intercooler and posted a review for a discount.

Yes the CTS fin pack is inferior to your 7" HD intercooler, however its the same as your standard 7".
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      05-09-2017, 07:56 AM   #8
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      05-09-2017, 08:37 AM   #9
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Fact: You copied your Version 1 7" intercooler design from HPF. A few years later you came up with cast end tanks. How do I know? Cause I was one of the first person that bought your 7" intercooler and posted a review for a discount.

Yes the CTS fin pack is inferior to your 7" HD intercooler, however its the same as your standard 7".
I'm not sure if you remember what the HPF looked like but it had OEM connections, our intercooler has 2.75" connections. The version you "tested" was a cast end tank, it was just two pieces which we eventually turned into one piece. That is the version CTS copied.

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It's a direct copy of our intercooler down to the lower chargepipe but it uses a less dense fin pack.
Are you going to follow that accusation up with a actual facts?

To come up with a simliar (or even identical) design is not the same thing as copying. I guess you have some insight in CTS developing process? Show some document or photo showing that they did "a direct copy" of a VRSF intercooler, or dont accuse them for doing that.

I guess you have some data on the fin density of the CTS one since you know its less dense. Why dont you help OP with some data you apparently have? After all that was what he asked for.
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I'm not sure if you remember what the HPF looked like but it had OEM connections, our intercooler has 2.75" connections. The version you "tested" was a cast end tank, it was just two pieces which we eventually turned into one piece. That is the version CTS copied.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...50&postcount=1
Just curious...is your design patented? Serious...not trollin'.
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There is no development process, they're known as a copy cat brand. The facts I have are in the pictures you're looking at. They don't look "similar". They're identical. You can't accidentally create an identical product that fits in the same cast mold.

Here's a few links I was able to grab that prove they're exactly what we claim they are.

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/vo...manifolds.html
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...and-Supporters
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showpo...8&postcount=18
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post7906876
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post8602500
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post10321341
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...03&postcount=9
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=74
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=16
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=20
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...30&postcount=9
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Fact: You copied your Version 1 7" intercooler design from HPF. A few years later you came up with cast end tanks. How do I know? Cause I was one of the first person that bought your 7" intercooler and posted a review for a discount.

Yes the CTS fin pack is inferior to your 7" HD intercooler, however its the same as your standard 7".


It doesn't matter. They all work well for street use and Tiago's product has been well reputed for a long time. I always thought the VRSF and the AMS had the same design end tanks. Again, it really doesn't matter with this intercooler unless your making bigger numbers (500hp+)

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      05-09-2017, 02:58 PM   #14
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I'm not sure if you remember what the HPF looked like but it had OEM connections, our intercooler has 2.75" connections. The version you "tested" was a cast end tank, it was just two pieces which we eventually turned into one piece. That is the version CTS copied.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...50&postcount=1


So you agree that you took the hpf design and only changed the connections and called the product your own?

Years later when CTS took the same design but uses a different core/fin pack you call it copy of your product
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It doesn't matter. They all work well for street use and Tiago's product has been well reputed for a long time. I always thought the VRSF and the AMS had the same design end tanks. Again, it really doesn't matter with this intercooler unless your making bigger numbers (500hp+)


I know it doesn't matter, both products are probably manufactured at the same facility.

My point was to call him out on the copying of the fmic. Points finger at CTS for copying while he did and does it himself.
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So you agree that you took the hpf design and only changed the connections and called the product your own?

Years later when CTS took the same design but uses a different core/fin pack you call it copy of your product
We're not agreeing to any of that. At all. the HPF had different end tanks, different fin pack, different connectors. There's nothing that's the same. It's also no longer in production.

CTS took our exact design. It wasn't modified, it's the same.
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There is no development process, they're known as a copy cat brand. The facts I have are in the pictures you're looking at. They don't look "similar". They're identical. You can't accidentally create an identical product that fits in the same cast mold.

Here's a few links I was able to grab that prove they're exactly what we claim they are.

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/vo...manifolds.html
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...and-Supporters
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showpo...8&postcount=18
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post7906876
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post8602500
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...1#post10321341
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...03&postcount=9
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=74
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=16
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=20
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showpo...30&postcount=9
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...CTS took our exact design. It wasn't modified, it's the same.
But you don't have any facts to back it up with. You always keep talking about how superior your fin packs and tanks are but you don't show any data to back it up. You are just not trustworthy anymore.
And using forum threads as fact? Seriously? Here I found a couple threads claiming that you copied your design:

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...64&postcount=3
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=26

But we both now thats just BS.

I don't really care who copied who, but i'm tired of you in pretty much every intercooler thread start trash talking other intercoolers, doing claims you can't back up (thinking especially of your first post in this thread saying that CTS "uses a less dense fin pack") with real data.
I wont argue anymore here but I do think that you should, if you are able to, give OP some data on the CTS intercooler. And if someone starts a thread about how CTS compares to VRSF, then it's your time to shine
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I don't really care who copied who, but i'm tired of you in pretty much every intercooler thread start trash talking other intercoolers, doing claims you can't back up (thinking especially of your first post in this thread saying that CTS "uses a less dense fin pack") with real data.
I wont argue anymore here but I do think that you should, if you are able to, give OP some data on the CTS intercooler. And if someone starts a thread about how CTS compares to VRSF, then it's your time to shine
We don't jump into every intercooler thread making claims we can't back up. We only jump into threads where our products are mentioned or our product has been blatantly copied.

We know for a fact that CTS copied our intercooler. I've replaces a customers intercooler in the shop and compared them side by side. It's an exact replica.
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We don't jump into every intercooler thread making claims we can't back up. We only jump into threads where our products are mentioned or our product has been blatantly copied.

We know for a fact that CTS copied our intercooler. I've replaces a customers intercooler in the shop and compared them side by side. It's an exact replica.
Exact replica would mean the fin pack is the same too. FYI your 7" intercooler is on sale via alibaba $250ish plus you can tell them how dense of a fin pack you want.
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I actually just installed two of these CTS Turbo FMICs this past weekend. One on my car, the other for a buddy which put us both FBO. We were both very happy with them as a company, as well as the product. Welds were decent, don't expect ADE type welds but they were not at all terrible. They did forget to put the lower chargepipe and silicon elbow, but a quick email and an immediate response, it was shipped out the same day. For the price...can't be beat in my opinion. Haven't had a chance to log yet, but from a few quick pulls it seems to be doing what it's meant to do.

I had purchased a VRSF 7" a few years back when I had my 1er and immediately returned it. Quality was beyond poor and customer service wasn't as it seems to be now. Response was pretty pathetic and is the reason I won't put VRSF anything on my car. If we are comparing this CTS to the photos I have of the VRSF, night and day. If they indeed did copy, then I gotta say CTS did it better. And for the record, this can't be compared to the HD core and it shouldn't as you have to pay extra for the HD core last I checked.
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I had purchased a VRSF 7" a few years back when I had my 1er and immediately returned it. Quality was beyond poor and customer service wasn't as it seems to be now. Response was pretty pathetic and is the reason I won't put VRSF anything on my car. If we are comparing this CTS to the photos I have of the VRSF, night and day. If they indeed did copy, then I gotta say CTS did it better.
I'm sorry if you had a bad experience with us although I can't find any record of you purchasing from us in the past.

I'm also sorry you felt the product didn't meet your standards and while everyone is entitled to their opinion I'd like to point out the 60+ positive reviews from our other customers.

http://vr-speed.com/media/fmicreview.png
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I had purchased a VRSF 7" a few years back when I had my 1er and immediately returned it. Quality was beyond poor and customer service wasn't as it seems to be now. Response was pretty pathetic and is the reason I won't put VRSF anything on my car. If we are comparing this CTS to the photos I have of the VRSF, night and day. If they indeed did copy, then I gotta say CTS did it better.
I'm sorry if you had a bad experience with us although I can't find any record of you purchasing from us in the past.

I'm also sorry you felt the product didn't meet your standards and while everyone is entitled to their opinion I'd like to point out the 60+ positive reviews from our other customers.

http://vr-speed.com/media/fmicreview.png
It was purchased through one of your vendors on here so you wouldn't have direct paperwork involving my purchase. My issues were handled through that vendor I purchased from who in turn contacted you. He allowed me to return it at no charge bc he also saw the quality and condition it came in which was unacceptable. I still have those photos but whats done is done. And yes I'm aware of the VRSF cult following and people's satisfaction. Apparently everybody's standards are different. To each their own.
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