Not Impressed With Audi S5 - Page 4 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

cliverman · 04-25-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger

I LOVE my car. Don't get me wrong. There's nothing that I enjoy more than driving my 335 around, especially when it's a nice day or i'm on track and I can really push it. But I definitely don't think it's nicer than an S5. I love the S5. It just feels like a nicer car. I've never driven an A5. Maybe that would ruin it for me. But there's something about that alcantara, those recaros, that B&O sound system, and the sound of that motor, the way it's just so planted at higher speeds, the way it feels like a more substantial car... that just makes you feel like you're in something a lot more special than the 335.

If I had to choose one, i'd pick my 335 without question. I wouldn't in stock form, and I wouldn't if I were older (I'm thinking 35 will be my mod-obsession cutoff point). But whether or not i'm a huge fan of the 335 (I am! my e90post join date and mod list speak to that. I'm never selling my 335.), I can't say that the S5 isn't the nicer car.

I'm not sure if it's more special - to each his own. I'm on my second 335 and as you can tell (my join date) that I'm a little sensitive to comparisons to Audi. I agree that the 335 in stock form is not as much fun as a modded one. Pick a tun JB, Vish, Cobb, whatever...the car comes alive. I've never driven a modded Audi but I hear they are beasts. Especially ABT tuned. 503 and 457 Not too shabby.

tony20009 · 04-25-2011, 10:20 PM

I had a similar feeling re: the A6 when comparing it with/to a 535i. It's so much more about cushiness over driving. But that's not to say, were an A/S 5 the only car I could get at a point in time that I'd be unhappy with it. They look very nice and make fine boulevard cruisers, and likely fine daily drivers...

FVM3 · 04-25-2011, 10:24 PM

S5 looks good but the corner isnt as sharp as my 335i, ride is too soft as a "sport" coupe even though in dynamic mode. It changes gear a bit faster then my 335i and fart every time it changes gear. I would expect its a bit faster with a V8 4.2L. Nowadays A4, A6 and A8 look the same, i think that isnt a good idea.

Auto Pilot · 04-25-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by A4rings

its a completely different engine, the only thing they have in common is a displacement of 4.2 liters.

Actually, it's my understanding that they are tuned versions of the same 4.2.

CAPSGOD · 04-26-2011, 02:58 AM

OK, to put it simply, Audi is not going to make a better BMW than BMW does. BMW is not going to make a better Audi than Audi does. Most would agree that the ideal combination would be Audi body with BMW mechanicals and Japanese reliability.

The only problem I see is that BMW has been straying from their formula recently. The electrically steered 5er and Z4 look nice but have fared poorly in comparison tests. I hope they do not add electric steering to the next 3-series.

Auto Pilot · 04-26-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward

Gotta agree w the traction thing. Yielding left turns are downright dangerous if you're trying to slip thru traffic. If you break traction in a 335, your car cuts out so abruptly and the boost drops immediately. You're then left with no boost built up and fast traffic coming at you. And on the flip side, driving w traction off is not the smartest thing even if you can control it and above and beyond that, causing wheel slippage in busy city traffic is super douchey.

Since the issue is traction control, it could be remedied by BMW by tweaking the software.

I wonder if the software has evolved at all over the years. I'm new to BMW so I don't have a reference.

Edward · 04-26-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Auto Pilot

Since the issue is traction control, it could be remedied by BMW by tweaking the software.

I wonder if the software has evolved at all over the years. I'm new to BMW so I don't have a reference.

I agree. The first nanny that kicks in (forgot whether it's dtc or dsc) is overly intrusive. It should allow for minor wheel slip so the exact situation I described does not happen.

Vicnumb7 · 04-26-2011, 10:28 AM

I can't exactly comment on the 335i v S5 in regards to performance because I never had a 335i or any turbo charged car for that matter. But in regards to looks (had an E92 328i, which has the exact same exterior and interior as the 335 minus the tail pipes and badge) I can pretty much say that the S5 wins hands down. It just looks more luxurious, and aggressive looking. In comparison the E92 looked a little bland, especially the interior.

The only other bimmer I can compare with currently in regards to performance is my ///M5. Obviously I can't compare power because the ///M is in a different league, but in terms of handling and road feel, it is infinitely better. BMW just has the right formula when making the perfect drivers car.

At the end of the day, its just depends on what you are looking for.

Bargamon · 04-26-2011, 11:06 AM

I have an 07 coupe and a '10 Avant plus.

Dash wise they are apples and oranges. I like both for different reasons.

The Audi has more options but im talking about fit and finish and feel.

Not sure which I like better. I got my 328 used but was shopping for an A5 first and could not get a good price on one. Personally I liked it better but felt the BMW had more for the money.

All things aside, if I were gong 335 vs S5 I'd pick the S5 no doubt.

FVM3 · 04-26-2011, 12:46 PM

S5 is in the price range of m3, more deluxe options but handling not as good as m3

DJKhan85 · 04-26-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by christopherchenm

S5 is in the price range of m3, more deluxe options but handling not as good as m3

So you're comparing a full optioned s5 (about 60k for the prestige plus which has just about every option) to a BAREBONES (no leather, no up rated stereo, no multimedia screen, no metallic paint, etc) m3?(coupe starts at 59k)?

Wasn't this argument beaten to death when the 335iS pricing was released?

335BBS · 04-26-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by christopherchenm

I should say it in this way, its slow as a V8 car, i mean in straight line

Still doesnt make sense.

335BBS · 04-26-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by christopherchenm

S5 is in the price range of m3, more deluxe options but handling not as good as m3

S5 Price in Canada is about $15,000 less than M3 and it does not perform as well....its down about 64 hp and is more of a touring car.

335BBS · 04-26-2011, 01:43 PM

[quote=A4rings;9451452]its a completely different engine, the only thing they You are correct.

FVM3 · 04-26-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJKhan85

So you're comparing a full optioned s5 (about 60k for the prestige plus which has just about every option) to a BAREBONES (no leather, no up rated stereo, no multimedia screen, no metallic paint, etc) m3?(coupe starts at 59k)?

Wasn't this argument beaten to death when the 335iS pricing was released?

The S5 i test drove was in high 60s, which is similar range with M3

FVM3 · 04-26-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaker

Still doesnt make sense.

Why?

335BBS · 04-26-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by christopherchenm

S5 looks good but the corner isnt as sharp as my 335i, ride is too soft as a "sport" coupe even though in dynamic mode. It changes gear a bit faster then my 335i and fart every time it changes gear. I would expect its a bit faster with a V8 4.2L. Nowadays A4, A6 and A8 look the same, i think that isnt a good idea.

3,5 and 7 don't look alike?? New 5 is a stretched 3. Wait until you see the new 3.
family resemblence is done on purpose.

335BBS · 04-26-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by christopherchenm

Why?

You are assuming the V8 makes more hp than a six I guess. Thats not always the case.

Vicnumb7 · 04-26-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaker

You are assuming the V8 makes more hp than a six I guess. Thats not always the case.

esp when its win turboed charged but the V8 does sound a hell of alot better tho, esp when paired with a gd exhaust

B3AST · 04-26-2011, 03:51 PM

I don't know what the hell all you guys are on about in here. I guess I'm the only person that thinks a 335 looks better than an A5. I'm not saying it's ugly but for some reason it just doesn't do anything for me. A couple of my friends go absolutely ape shit everytime they see one and I'm like "meh." Different strokes for different folks I guess. I'd rather have a 335is than an A5 and I'd rather have an M3 over an S5.

Vicnumb7 · 04-26-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by B3AST

I don't know what the hell all you guys are on about in here. I guess I'm the only person that thinks a 335 looks better than an A5. I'm not saying it's ugly but for some reason it just doesn't do anything for me. A couple of my friends go absolutely ape shit everytime they see one and I'm like "meh." Different strokes for different folks I guess. I'd rather have a 335is than an A5 and I'd rather have an M3 over an S5.

more accurately its:

A5 2.0/3.2= 328i/335i
S5 = 335is
RS5 = M3

B3AST · 04-27-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicnumb7

more accurately its:

A5 2.0/3.2= 328i/335i
S5 = 335is
RS5 = M3

More accurately it's:

A5 2.0 = 328i
A5 3.2 = 335i/is
S5 = M3
RS5 = Nothing because it's not for sale in America until 2012. (But even when it does, M3 is still superior.)

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04-25-2011, 10:20 PM	#68
tony20009 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: BMW 335i - Coupe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,982 iTrader: (0)	I had a similar feeling re: the A6 when comparing it with/to a 535i. It's so much more about cushiness over driving. But that's not to say, were an A/S 5 the only car I could get at a point in time that I'd be unhappy with it. They look very nice and make fine boulevard cruisers, and likely fine daily drivers... __________________ Cheers, Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ '07, e92 335i, *Sparkling Graphite, Coral Leather, Aluminum, 6-speed*

04-25-2011, 10:24 PM	#69
FVM3 Brigadier General Drives: 2011 E93 M3 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,817 iTrader: (2)	S5 looks good but the corner isnt as sharp as my 335i, ride is too soft as a "sport" coupe even though in dynamic mode. It changes gear a bit faster then my 335i and fart every time it changes gear. I would expect its a bit faster with a V8 4.2L. Nowadays A4, A6 and A8 look the same, i think that isnt a good idea. __________________ 2011 E93 DCT

04-26-2011, 10:28 AM	#74
Vicnumb7 Lieutenant Drives: B8 Audi S5, E60 ///M5 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto + HK Posts: 486 iTrader: (3)	I can't exactly comment on the 335i v S5 in regards to performance because I never had a 335i or any turbo charged car for that matter. But in regards to looks (had an E92 328i, which has the exact same exterior and interior as the 335 minus the tail pipes and badge) I can pretty much say that the S5 wins hands down. It just looks more luxurious, and aggressive looking. In comparison the E92 looked a little bland, especially the interior. The only other bimmer I can compare with currently in regards to performance is my ///M5. Obviously I can't compare power because the ///M is in a different league, but in terms of handling and road feel, it is infinitely better. BMW just has the right formula when making the perfect drivers car. At the end of the day, its just depends on what you are looking for. __________________ Current - E60 ///M5 Current - B8 Audi S5 Coupe Retired - E92 328i Retired - Lexus IS300

04-26-2011, 12:46 PM	#76
FVM3 Brigadier General Drives: 2011 E93 M3 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,817 iTrader: (2)	S5 is in the price range of m3, more deluxe options but handling not as good as m3 __________________ 2011 E93 DCT

04-26-2011, 03:51 PM	#86
B3AST Captain Drives: with a huge grin (E90) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 635 iTrader: (1)	I don't know what the hell all you guys are on about in here. I guess I'm the only person that thinks a 335 looks better than an A5. I'm not saying it's ugly but for some reason it just doesn't do anything for me. A couple of my friends go absolutely ape shit everytime they see one and I'm like "meh." Different strokes for different folks I guess. I'd rather have a 335is than an A5 and I'd rather have an M3 over an S5. __________________ "All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns." -Bruce Lee

04-26-2011, 02:58 AM	#71
CAPSGOD Major Drives: Diesel Son Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: #yolo Posts: 1,136 iTrader: (0)	OK, to put it simply, Audi is not going to make a better BMW than BMW does. BMW is not going to make a better Audi than Audi does. Most would agree that the ideal combination would be Audi body with BMW mechanicals and Japanese reliability. The only problem I see is that BMW has been straying from their formula recently. The electrically steered 5er and Z4 look nice but have fared poorly in comparison tests. I hope they do not add electric steering to the next 3-series.

04-26-2011, 11:06 AM	#75
Bargamon Captain Drives: 07' e92 328i 6MT sport Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NorthCarolina Posts: 918 iTrader: (0)	I have an 07 coupe and a '10 Avant plus. Dash wise they are apples and oranges. I like both for different reasons. The Audi has more options but im talking about fit and finish and feel. Not sure which I like better. I got my 328 used but was shopping for an A5 first and could not get a good price on one. Personally I liked it better but felt the BMW had more for the money. All things aside, if I were gong 335 vs S5 I'd pick the S5 no doubt.

04-26-2011, 01:43 PM	#80
335BBS Brigadier General Drives: 2009 335 coupe. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 3,562 iTrader: (0)	[quote=A4rings;9451452]its a completely different engine, the only thing they You are correct.

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