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      04-27-2011, 05:17 PM   #89
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More accurately it's:

A5 2.0 = 328i
A5 3.2 = 335i/is
S5 = M3
RS5 = Nothing because it's not for sale in America until 2012. (But even when it does, M3 is still superior.)

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When i visited the audi dealer last time SA claimed that RS5 has been out for special order and theres couple of them in LA area
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More accurately it's:

A5 2.0 = 328i
A5 3.2 = 335i/is
S5 = M3
RS5 = Nothing because it's not for sale in America until 2012. (But even when it does, M3 is still superior.)

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There is no A5 3.2 anymore. The S5 goes against 335is and they have nothing to compete with 335i or 335d
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More accurately it's:

A5 2.0 = 328i
A5 3.2 = 335i/is
S5 = M3
RS5 = Nothing because it's not for sale in America until 2012. (But even when it does, M3 is still superior.)

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they don't sell 3.2 audis anymore except in the A6 and the SUVs. You can only get an a3/a4/a5 2.0. An S5 fits between the 335is and the M3... right where it's priced.
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More accurately it's:

A5 2.0 = 328i
A5 3.2 = 335i/is
S5 = M3
RS5 = Nothing because it's not for sale in America until 2012. (But even when it does, M3 is still superior.)

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I'm assuming you are joking, but previous poster's claim is correct.
S5 is 335's competition while RS5 is M3's competition.
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s5 is meant to be a sports sedan, 335i isn't.
and i don't mean sporty sedans, i mean sports sedans
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s5 is meant to be a sports sedan, 335i isn't.
and i don't mean sporty sedans, i mean sports sedans
the 335 isn't meant to be a sports sedan? Hasn't the 3 series always been regarded as the pinnacle of entry luxury sports sedans? Way moreso than anything that comes out of audi, s branded or not.

an acura tl is a sporty sedan. I sure hope the 3 series is a sports sedan. It's number one advantage is that its sportier than everything else in its segment.
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More accurately it's:

A5 2.0 = 328i
A5 3.2 = 335i/is
S5 = M3
RS5 = Nothing because it's not for sale in America until 2012. (But even when it does, M3 is still superior.)

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You're wrong, he's right. This is a textbook example of someone being clueless thanks to clever badging (strong form of marketing).

The 3.2 has been removed. It hardly offered better performance at the cost of more weight over the 2.0T.

A5 2.0T = 328i (A5's 211 bhp/258 lb-ft VS 328i's 230 bhp/200 lb-ft)
S5 = 335i/is (S5's 354 bhp/325 lb-ft VS 335i[is]'s 300[322] bhp /300[332] lb-ft)
RS5 = M3 (RS5's 450 bhp/317 lb-ft VS M3's 414 bhp/295 lb-ft)

The Audi typically costs more and is slightly heavier, yet more powerful, than its direct BMW competitor, but the trim levels line up.

The S5 is basically an A5 in S-Line trim with a bigger engine. The suspension parts are the same, but with different tuning. The distinction its badging creates is purely a marketing thing, although it could be attributed to company history. The RS5 and M3 are entirely different from the more plebeian models in that the majority of their body panels, underpinnings and drivetrain are extensively modified.
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You're wrong, he's right. This is a textbook example of someone being clueless thanks to clever badging (strong form of marketing).

The 3.2 has been removed. It hardly offered better performance at the cost of more weight over the 2.0T.

A5 2.0T = 328i (A5's 211 bhp/258 lb-ft VS 328i's 230 bhp/200 lb-ft)
S5 = 335i/is (S5's 354 bhp/325 lb-ft VS 335i[is]'s 300[322] bhp /300[332] lb-ft)
RS5 = M3 (RS5's 450 bhp/317 lb-ft VS M3's 414 bhp/295 lb-ft)

The Audi typically costs more and is slightly heavier, yet more powerful, than its direct BMW competitor, but the trim levels line up.

The S5 is basically an A5 in S-Line trim with a bigger engine. The suspension parts are the same, but with different tuning. The distinction its badging creates is purely a marketing thing, although it could be attributed to company history. The RS5 and M3 are entirely different from the more plebeian models in that the majority of their body panels, underpinnings and drivetrain are extensively modified.
Thank you!

The badging is actually a big draw. There's a lot of people who don't like the idea of spending 50+k on a "3 series bmw" that is indistinguishable from a 38k variant to the common observer...

throw an "s" badge on it... now the driver feels like he's bought something special. It's probably the biggest reason behind ditching the v8 in the a6. When the S6 comes out, I guarantee you people who would buy a 550 will defect to the S6 just to distinguish their 70-75k cars from lower variants.
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i think a5 2.0t is slower then a 328i
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Thank you!

The badging is actually a big draw. There's a lot of people who don't like the idea of spending 50+k on a "3 series bmw" that is indistinguishable from a 38k variant to the common observer...

throw an "s" badge on it... now the driver feels like he's bought something special. It's probably the biggest reason behind ditching the v8 in the a6. When the S6 comes out, I guarantee you people who would buy a 550 will defect to the S6 just to distinguish their 70-75k cars from lower variants.
I agree. I do wish my car made me feel it was special. That is also why I've been looking at S4's recently
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Thank you!

The badging is actually a big draw. There's a lot of people who don't like the idea of spending 50+k on a "3 series bmw" that is indistinguishable from a 38k variant to the common observer...

throw an "s" badge on it... now the driver feels like he's bought something special. It's probably the biggest reason behind ditching the v8 in the a6. When the S6 comes out, I guarantee you people who would buy a 550 will defect to the S6 just to distinguish their 70-75k cars from lower variants.
Without a doubt; it's extremely clever marketing. I'll be honest, I originally became infatuated with an S5 that was sitting on an Audi lot. The badge was definitely an alluring quality. That, along with the generous amounts of silver trim, really made it stand out compared to the A5s. Even now, the A5 badge really doesn't entice me at all even though I know better than that.

BMW needs a much stronger form of nomenclature for their cars, but they need to stay within traditional naming methods. Tagging 'is' to the back of their cars really feels like a cop out, we-need-to-boost-this-model-year's-production-numbers kind of move. The s/xDrive badging is too cluttered to have lasting power, too.
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Agreed. The "is" is a similar concept... but it's just not different enough. Perhaps a decade worth of great "is" cars will make it different one day, but as it stands, the is and the i aren't remotely different enough to make any kind of difference.
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"is" comes from very old BMW's that most people don't remember, like the E28 5-series, E30 325is, E36 318is.
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i think a5 2.0t is slower then a 328i

Definitely not, the 200 ft lbs of torque in a 328i doesn't give you as much as the 258 in the Audi. They are both slow, but the Audi IMO feels faster.
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Haven't driven an S5, but have driven a B7 S4 and I felt the exact same way. I love the looks of the S5, but when it comes down to sheer driving, I'll gladly take my E92 any day .
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Thank you!

The badging is actually a big draw. There's a lot of people who don't like the idea of spending 50+k on a "3 series bmw" that is indistinguishable from a 38k variant to the common observer...

throw an "s" badge on it... now the driver feels like he's bought something special. It's probably the biggest reason behind ditching the v8 in the a6. When the S6 comes out, I guarantee you people who would buy a 550 will defect to the S6 just to distinguish their 70-75k cars from lower variants.
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Without a doubt; it's extremely clever marketing. I'll be honest, I originally became infatuated with an S5 that was sitting on an Audi lot. The badge was definitely an alluring quality. That, along with the generous amounts of silver trim, really made it stand out compared to the A5s. Even now, the A5 badge really doesn't entice me at all even though I know better than that.

BMW needs a much stronger form of nomenclature for their cars, but they need to stay within traditional naming methods. Tagging 'is' to the back of their cars really feels like a cop out, we-need-to-boost-this-model-year's-production-numbers kind of move. The s/xDrive badging is too cluttered to have lasting power, too.
Wow. You guys sure worry about what other people think. My last car was an S4. I got silver so the mirrors wouldnt stand out and I debadged. I de-badge all the time. The Grill on the S5 has a little more chrome and the mirrors ar silver but thats it vs A5.
Why would you care what others think.
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Agreed. The "is" is a similar concept... but it's just not different enough. Perhaps a decade worth of great "is" cars will make it different one day, but as it stands, the is and the i aren't remotely different enough to make any kind of difference.
I think youre right.
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Haven't driven an S5, but have driven a B7 S4 and I felt the exact same way. I love the looks of the S5, but when it comes down to sheer driving, I'll gladly take my E92 any day .
IMO The rumble of the V8 (my last car was B7 S4) is FAR more appealing than the sound of my 335. Sounds like an old inboard boat until you wind it up. I wish I had gone for the S5.
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i have a friend who drove my 335i and my other friend's S5 (both are stock). after driving both, he said that he preferred the 335i as it was faster in his opinion - even though the S5 has higher specs than the 335i. BMW ftw
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i have a friend who drove my 335i and my other friend's S5 (both are stock). after driving both, he said that he preferred the 335i as it was faster in his opinion - even though the S5 has higher specs than the 335i. BMW ftw
Funny. Just goes to show what opinion is worth. 335 may have felt faster because it makes more torque lower in the rev range but I think they are virtually identical 0-60. Absolutely identical on a track. 335xi would get waxed on a track but probably quicker to 60. This thread is 100% subjective.
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YES

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Wow. You guys sure worry about what other people think. My last car was an S4. I got silver so the mirrors wouldnt stand out and I debadged. I de-badge all the time. The Grill on the S5 has a little more chrome and the mirrors ar silver but thats it vs A5.
Why would you care what others think.
It's not what others think. It's what I think. lol. The car doesn't make me feel special because other people may oogle over chrome... it's because I look around and see that im sitting in alcantara recaros. that is awesome
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