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      04-07-2007, 05:26 AM   #67
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BTW, nice pics sflgator. I like the M6 reps on that color. Maybe I shouldn't have picked black!
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^^^cut pretty deep?...that was funny, in all seriousness....but, you think too highly of yourself as well as your car......selective reading ftl....www.dragtimes.com provides raw, real-world numbers....i have posted a 13.06 at 107.2 at a drag strip before, faster than any stock and slightly modded SRT-8....as a whole, bmw's are more reliable than jeep's but to each his own

when comparing an s.u.v. to a coupe in regards to performance....the comparison does become rather elementary

and your car's handling is weak....i would love to see what numbers our respective cars would post on a track, a more definitive measurement of handling
Yup, my quickest time was 13.09 @ 107.2 in my 06 SMG M3, and under ideal, cool conditions, a 335i steptronic sedan will definitely do 13.2 105mph+. And by the way, at the Famosa drag strip, on a slow day, I was still doing 13.55 @ 104 mph, and the guy I was talking to with the 425HP SRT8 Charger was telling me how he should be able to do 12.8s, and how his car was "made for the track." The best time he mustered was 14.62 101.21mph....not even close to my M3. At that track, a V8 S4 ran a 14.16@99.72mph, and a S2000 ran 14.70@97.59mph, so the times were definitely slow that day. I will go out and look for some SRT8 Grand Cherokees, 4.7 0-60 is nothing big, my M3 will easily match that, and several magazines have rated other stock M3s to run 0-60 in 4.7 seconds, at trap speeds close to 107mph. Cleaner aerodynamics, will have the M3 walking away from the SRT8 at higher speeds.

Motor Trend (8/01 issue) lists the M3 as 13.2@106.9 1/4 Mile. 0-60mph 4.7 seconds
Motor Trend (4/02 issue) lists the M5 as 13.1@109.4 1/4 Mile. 0-60mph 4.6 seconds. (V8)

So either way, once you get your fantastic 4WD launch out of the picture, a car with a 107mph trap speed will be "walking away" from your 104mph trap speed SRT8. And as speeds increase, the parasitic loses of your AWD, and brick like aerodynamics, will somehow make you do better against the BMW at top end? Sounds pretty logical to me! Try racing a BMW with the speed governor taken off, actually, Plenty of M3s owners have reported going over 165mph anyways, as the speed governors seem to vary. So you put an engine almost twice as big in the Jeep as the M3, and it barely can perform as well? Your 6.1L against a 3.2L 6cylinder? So almost twice the engine size, and your car doesn't weight twice as much (not quite 7000lbs is it?), so you should easily beat the BMW. But somehow it doesn't happen....wonder why? Must be that great engineering. Secondly, worse gas mileage than a Viper? Now theres something to be proud of. Now, I have seen videos of 335i sedans with software walking away from E39 M5s, and as you can tell from the Motor Trend tests, (4.6 0-60, 13.1@109.4mph), the old V8 M5 would easily walk away from your Jeep in any roll on street encounter. You have to rely on your AWD launch that will hurt you on anything but a drag race encounter from a stand still. I would take terminal speed any day over good launch with less top end anytime..but to each his own.

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I think this should settle the GC SRT8 vs 335i discussion. It would be close if it was the 300C SRT8 as it is 600 lbs lighter.
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I think this should settle the GC SRT8 vs 335i discussion. It would be close if it was the 300C SRT8 as it is 600 lbs lighter.

There are already 3 video posts (including this one) on page 3 of this thread. It didn't settle it for the SRT 8 trolls.

Dave already posted 4 of his own in response. Fact is, it all depends on the driver and the conditions.
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Oh? Vishnu claims 360hp on pump gas. Pretty close to 400hp!
i dont wanna get wrapped up in this, but just to let u guys know, this jeep 'expert' doesnt even know the difference between bhp and whp.

stock for stock its probably a close race, but with the procede IT WOULDNT BE CLOSE....AT ALL.
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i dont wanna get wrapped up in this, but just to let u guys know, this jeep 'expert' doesnt even know the difference between bhp and whp.
What do you expect? He drives a Jeep, goes to a BMW website and tries to convince the BMW crowd that his Jeep is better somehow.

Intelligence isn't his strong suit.
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What do you expect? He drives a Jeep, goes to a BMW website and tries to convince the BMW crowd that his Jeep is better somehow.

Intelligence isn't his strong suit.
oh i know just wanted to point that out, since nobody caught it yet and its pretty funny.
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I honestly cant believe what Dave is saying... first of all, he claims that the 335 is a bad looking car. It is honestly one of the sexiest cars i've ever seen (thats why i bought one, aside from the obvious performance stats) . The SRT8 is fast, for an SUV, but cannot compete with the lighter BMW. The SRT8 runs a similar (but still slower) 1/4 mile time as the 335 but honestly, if I cared about 1/4 mile times that much I would have bought a Mustang.
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I honestly cant believe what Dave is saying... first of all, he claims that the 335 is a bad looking car. It is honestly one of the sexiest cars i've ever seen (thats why i bought one, aside from the obvious performance stats) . The SRT8 is fast, for an SUV, but cannot compete with the lighter BMW. The SRT8 runs a similar (but still slower) 1/4 mile time as the 335 but honestly, if I cared about 1/4 mile times that much I would have bought a Mustang.
+1, except the Mustang part (unless you're talking about the GT500). btw - the Mustang GT isn't all that fast; it does the 1/4 mi. in 13.8 sec. @ 103mph, slower than a stock 335i.
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+1, except the Mustang part (unless you're talking about the GT500). btw - the Mustang GT isn't all that fast; it does the 1/4 mi. in 13.8 sec. @ 103mph, slower than a stock 335i.
Now when I was at the track, I saw a black new Mustang. It had a Cobra on the side of the front fender. What kind of engine is in those? It ran a 14.28@103.77mph. Still slower than my BMW! Actually in this race...the Ford Lightning Pickup actually won the race, though it had a slower trap speed.

We should all go to the Grand Cherokee forum and hang out there! Like we have nothing better to do...LOL.
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And I Am Sorry i Will Have To Call Bullshit To That One The 300SRT8 Pulls A C6 Corvette Anywhere Over 100Mph.
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Now when I was at the track, I saw a black new Mustang. It had a Cobra on the side of the front fender. What kind of engine is in those? It ran a 14.28@103.77mph. Still slower than my BMW! Actually in this race...the Ford Lightning Pickup actually won the race, though it had a slower trap speed.

We should all go to the Grand Cherokee forum and hang out there! Like we have nothing better to do...LOL.
It's probably a regular GT with a Cobra badge. The wheels are OEM Shelby 500, but the ET/TS times are definetely slower.
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It's probably a regular GT with a Cobra badge. The wheels are OEM Shelby 500, but the ET/TS times are definetely slower.
What kind of speed should a Cobra Mustang be running at the end of the 1/4 mile? I mean, this puts it a little slower pace than what the 6.0 GTOs were running. They were running about the same as my M3...13.5sec, on that same day at the track.

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It amazes me how big a difference elevation makes. My car is proceeded FYI.

NA cars just die at this elevation.

Let's just say that I started behind the Jeep and by the time I hit 100 I was ahead by 6 or 7 car lengths. I must say though, it's amazing how fast those things are considering it's weight. I imagine it's gotta weigh at least 5500 lbs.
Nice kill. Unless of course he was not even racing you, and couldn't care less about some BMW driving faster.

I killed a Ferrari once, at a trafic stop. But I don't think he noticed me.
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DAVE amd Socalsrt8, why are you guy/gal here on this forum. why don't you go back to your forum and start trouble there. The ignorance and attitude in your posts prove nothing but more hatred for your "kind". True from a dig those 1/4 time might prove faster since you have awd and able to hook up better. But what the point of getting a heavy fast truck that can't do what it was meant to do and that is towing(where does the tow hitch go?) and off road off road capability(ground clearance?). Must be a POS then.
And let not talk about racing on a true with more than right hand turn track either since that boat of yours will "capside" quickly.
As I said earlier, I need AWD and space to haul four of my friends and all of their shit for a weekend in Vegas while still being able to smoke 90% of cars on the road. Evos and STIs are the only ones that come close but they are cramped, the interiors are made by Playskool, and turbo lag is for suckers. The SRT8 fits this bill perfectly. Again, my "POS" will likely be in the shop less than your 335. Enjoy your fuel pump issues and try not to grenade an engine!
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Yup, my quickest time was 13.09 @ 107.2 in my 06 SMG M3, and under ideal, cool conditions, a 335i steptronic sedan will definitely do 13.2 105mph+. And by the way, at the Famosa drag strip, on a slow day, I was still doing 13.55 @ 104 mph, and the guy I was talking to with the 425HP SRT8 Charger was telling me how he should be able to do 12.8s, and how his car was "made for the track." The best time he mustered was 14.62 101.21mph....not even close to my M3. At that track, a V8 S4 ran a 14.16@99.72mph, and a S2000 ran 14.70@97.59mph, so the times were definitely slow that day. I will go out and look for some SRT8 Grand Cherokees, 4.7 0-60 is nothing big, my M3 will easily match that, and several magazines have rated other stock M3s to run 0-60 in 4.7 seconds, at trap speeds close to 107mph. Cleaner aerodynamics, will have the M3 walking away from the SRT8 at higher speeds.

Motor Trend (8/01 issue) lists the M3 as 13.2@106.9 1/4 Mile. 0-60mph 4.7 seconds
Motor Trend (4/02 issue) lists the M5 as 13.1@109.4 1/4 Mile. 0-60mph 4.6 seconds. (V8)

So either way, once you get your fantastic 4WD launch out of the picture, a car with a 107mph trap speed will be "walking away" from your 104mph trap speed SRT8. And as speeds increase, the parasitic loses of your AWD, and brick like aerodynamics, will somehow make you do better against the BMW at top end? Sounds pretty logical to me! Try racing a BMW with the speed governor taken off, actually, Plenty of M3s owners have reported going over 165mph anyways, as the speed governors seem to vary. So you put an engine almost twice as big in the Jeep as the M3, and it barely can perform as well? Your 6.1L against a 3.2L 6cylinder? So almost twice the engine size, and your car doesn't weight twice as much (not quite 7000lbs is it?), so you should easily beat the BMW. But somehow it doesn't happen....wonder why? Must be that great engineering. Secondly, worse gas mileage than a Viper? Now theres something to be proud of. Now, I have seen videos of 335i sedans with software walking away from E39 M5s, and as you can tell from the Motor Trend tests, (4.6 0-60, 13.1@109.4mph), the old V8 M5 would easily walk away from your Jeep in any roll on street encounter. You have to rely on your AWD launch that will hurt you on anything but a drag race encounter from a stand still. I would take terminal speed any day over good launch with less top end anytime..but to each his own.
Ill fully address this post later but I've smoked several e46 m3s and magazine tests as well as real world track times show the Grand SRT8 is the quicker vehicle. Where in California are you located? If no one from the boards is willing, I'd be willing to show you some tail lights next time I visit the bay.

My 4800lb Jeep is 4800lbs for a reason. I can hold four friends and all of their shit, smoke your M3, and head to the slopes with no worries about road conditions.

Speed limiter taken off? Thats not stock. Grand SRT8s will do 165-167mph stock as well.
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i dont wanna get wrapped up in this, but just to let u guys know, this jeep 'expert' doesnt even know the difference between bhp and whp.

stock for stock its probably a close race, but with the procede IT WOULDNT BE CLOSE....AT ALL.
Where on the Vishnu website does it say thats WHP?
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What do you expect? He drives a Jeep, goes to a BMW website and tries to convince the BMW crowd that his Jeep is better somehow.

Intelligence isn't his strong suit.
As I said in my first post, the 335 is a great vehicle as well. If I didn't need AWD and I was convinced I wouldn't grenade an engine I would probably be in a proceeded 335 sedan. Looks aside, the interior is nice and the modability is extremely attractive. I also considered an S4 but wasn't satisfied with their mod potential.

Its playful banter but everything I have said is true.
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Dave, too bad you got the jeep. Should have pick the evo instead if you want awd. If you understand anything about handling and mods intead of POSing you would have understand the evo is a much better CAR. I walked SRT8 jeep, SRT8 300, SRT8 magnum around here in my evo on the street and racetrack. Those heavy thing can barely take the esses, and on the caroulsel forget about it.
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Where on the Vishnu website does it say thats WHP?
it's not on the website, the copy of the dyno is here...http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43252

Soapbox Alert! General statements not directed at any one person.

These threads have gotten out of hand on both sites. Both the 335 and the SRT8's, whether we're talking Jeep's or Magnums or 300C's all serve different purposes. As an owner of both "American Muscle" and "German engineering", I can tell you that both types of cars are great in their own way and I'm happy to be fortunate enough to have both.

Some of the statements made by both sides are just comical, silly and serve no purpose then to enflame others. At the end of the day, who cares who is faster than whom? There are alot more important things in life to worry about. The cars are close enough that if you run them 100 times in a simulator, it's probably a 50/50 split on the winner. Any race between them is not won by the car, it's won by the driver.

Just be happy that you are blessed enough have what you what and stop blah, blah, blahing about meaningless crap. I will most likely outrun the car of every person who has posted here both in a straight line and on a track and you know what, big deal. It doesn't put more food on my plate or shoes on my kid's feet. At the end of the day it doesn't amount to shit as far as life's concerned.

Bottom line, these threads have more than outlived their usefulness and I'd hope that both sides will just move on to more important things.

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What kind of speed should a Cobra Mustang be running at the end of the 1/4 mile? I mean, this puts it a little slower pace than what the 6.0 GTOs were running. They were running about the same as my M3...13.5sec, on that same day at the track.
You meant the Shelby 500, right? They should run 12.8-13.0 @ 112-113 mph (stock). Kind of disappointing for 550hp (Ford claims 500 underrated hp). However, $1200 in simple mods will take this 4,000 lb boat to 650+hp...I've seen a few doing high 10's with DRs...

I wasn't impressed at the track with GTO's. The LS2 makes great power but the car weighs 3,850 lbs...They struggle to get into 12's.
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As I said earlier, I need AWD and space to haul four of my friends and all of their shit for a weekend in Vegas while still being able to smoke 90% of cars on the road. Evos and STIs are the only ones that come close but they are cramped, the interiors are made by Playskool, and turbo lag is for suckers. The SRT8 fits this bill perfectly. Again, my "POS" will likely be in the shop less than your 335. Enjoy your fuel pump issues and try not to grenade an engine!
POS? nah. I really like the GC SRT8. Like I've said on a previous post, it is the fastest SUV on the planet as we speak. Mean looks, great price and sports car grip/handling. However, I disagree about your comment on the Evo's Playskool interior. It may not have an atractive design and it may lack the quality and amenities you find on BMWs, but its helding up pretty good (16k miles) and it's squeak and rattle free. It's kind of funny that someone who drives a Jeep made that comment. About lag, oh well, Evo's get full boost at 2500 rpms, but yes, below 2000 rpms there's absolutely no power at all.
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