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      04-09-2007, 09:34 AM   #45
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Your review is excellent but I am concern about your comments of 50mph and the car wouldn't go : " We also tried one starting in 3rd at 50 mph, but that was really bad for my auto. I would bog really bad at that speed and in that gear "

Can you elaborate on that? I am getting an auto.
Sorry, maybe bog down wasn't the right word.
Really, what I think the problem was is that I was starting at too low of an rpm, and when I nailed it, the car wanted to downshift into second, but that just caused the traction control to kick on. In both cars we just turned DTC on (hit button just once), and the car bogged down for a second until the traction control allowed for full boost.

It wasn't an issue in the other runs (starting in second) since we started at a higher rpm and the car wouldn't downshift when we took off.

The PROcede gives the car so much torque that spinning the tires at 50 mph when it downshifts to second is not a problem. I've set it off at 60 mph in 3rd before too.

edit: fixed the original post.

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thanks for setting up the runs...can't wait to see some video

you socal guys got quite a crew down there...

maybe some of the rocky mountain guys (that is the guys that'll show up on the forum when the xi's start coming out) should get together and do some xi testing on the frozen lake in georgetown...haha
No problem, you're welcome.

SFValley335i and myself will do this again soon once he gets the Turbo Tuner installed in his car (auto sedan).
Then it will be more of an apples to apples comparo.
But considering the sedans are a bit heavier, and I think the manuals have more of an acceleration advantage than the autos (once rolling), I'd expect the PROceded auto sedan to pull 2+ car lengths on the Turbo Tuner auto sedan instead of the 1.5 car lengths I pulled on the manual coupe.
BUT, it'll still be fun regardless.

It's running the PROcede manual sedan that'll be interesting.
Honestly, I think the PROcede manual sedan will pull 1/2-3/4 car lengths on me from a roll.
ADHD and I will let you guys know soon enough.

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how will the auto have an advantage on the launch?
It just seems too.
Brake torquing the car to 1700-1800 rpms and releasing gives it a stronger launch than any manual has been able to duplicate.

I think a perfectly driven manual would be able to launch just as hard, but it's hard to launch the car perfectly with a manual. It's a walk in the park with the auto.
In the stoplight grand prix, 98 out of 100 times, I'd put my money on the auto getting the launch (stock for stock).
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awesome stuff guys. now all we need is a GC SRT8 and a video camera
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It just seems too.
Brake torquing the car to 1700-1800 rpms and releasing gives it a stronger launch than any manual has been able to duplicate.

I think a perfectly driven manual would be able to launch just as hard, but it's hard to launch the car perfectly with a manual. It's a walk in the park with the auto.
In the stoplight grand prix, 98 out of 100 times, I'd put my money on the auto getting the launch (stock for stock).

Wait until Version 2.0 comes out for the Procede with the launch control feature. That will be very interesting to see how the cars do. It should slightly improve the 6AT's times and get the manual to be at least equal to that of the newly improved 6AT's times and pull slightly ahead of it at higher speeds.
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It's running the PROcede manual sedan that'll be interesting.
Honestly, I think the PROcede manual sedan will pull 1/2-3/4 car lengths on me from a roll.
ADHD and I will let you guys know soon enough.
Shes sitting in the garage fueled up with vp so shes ready to GO
Im right on the other side of bouqet canyon so u just let me know ill come burn some rubber for u guys!:rocks:
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I'm not much on street racing, plus with 2 kids and a wife at home I can't get as much free time as I would like, and I get the idea you are doing these runs in the SFV. But I would be glad to meet up at Irwindale on a Thursday night to do some timed runs. I think Terry might be going this Thursday and I'm considering it as well. He has pretty much the exact same car as me, 6AT, non-sport, Turbo Tuner and secondary Cat/resonator delete.
If I don't end up working, I'm game for Irwindale on Thursday Night.
Driver72, you're game, right ?

Jeff, you going ?

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The Auto has advantage at launch because 99% of drivers, THINK they can drive, but can't......

Driver 72 had the fastest 60' times of anyone at Famoso......
All the other drivers had MTs.......

"bogged down"
"missed a shift"
"clutch slipped" and the usual band of excuses and reasons why an MT is beaten by a state of the art Auto.

I've driven MTs all my life. I know all about it.
This Step just launches great at 1,600 rpms.
Mnimal wheel spin (with good tires) and it just goes from there.

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It was great meeting you guys. Our little test was one hell of a rush even though I wasn't driving.

Coming from a stock 335i (AT) drivers point of view I could say that for some reason the MT 335i with the Turbo Tuner had more of a throw you into the seat feeling than the 335i AT with PROcede. Comparing a stock 335i AT vs PROcede 335i AT, they both don't seem to pin you HARD into your seats even with all that great torq. With the MT 335i Turbo Tuner it does pin you pretty good, so that might be because of the transmission.

I believe installing the Turbo Tuner is simple but it becomes a little difficult because of its location/visibility. Most of the work has to be done with feeling around but I'm sure once its done you can replicate the process in no time. I hope Eurobahn gets some sort of adapter to lengthen the wiring for the Turbo Tuner so you can pull it from the side of the motor to the top, making it much easier to see what your doing.

So to give you guys a REAL time frame of installing a Turbo Tuner is more around 25 mins for the first time. I can almost guarantee that the PROcede would take someone at least 1 hour for their first time installing it.

Kujo, Driver72 and AB TEK 818, I'm all in to do this once again next saturday or sunday if 'AB TEK 818' is willing to throw his Turbo Tuner into my car or unless Eurobahn can setup something to install one in my car for that day or for a week...

A trick I used was to hold a small flashlight with my mouth so I could see what I was doing. Once you can see that little clip its easy to push aside with a small screwdriver.
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Shes sitting in the garage fueled up with vp so shes ready to GO
Im right on the other side of bouqet canyon so u just let me know ill come burn some rubber for u guys!:rocks:

Dude, you live so F-in close to me.
I'm in Santa Clarita too (so is Kujo).

Do you have V1.4 in your car right now?

I'm getting the upload (to V1.4) done on Wednesday.
What are you doing Wednesday afternoon?

Drop me a PM we'll figure out a meet date/time.

I'm really curious to see how the auto PROcede compares to the manual PROcede and if I can keep up.

BTW, what Octane VP you got in there?
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If I don't end up working, I'm game for Irwindale on Thursday Night.
Driver72, you're game, right ?

Jeff, you going ?

kj

I might go, I'm not big on 1/8th mile tracks.
They're for the AWD crowd.
But that's for another topic and thread.
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Dude, you live so F-in close to me.
I'm in Santa Clarita too (so is Kujo).

Do you have V1.4 in your car right now?

I'm getting the upload (to V1.4) done on Wednesday.
What are you doing Wednesday afternoon?

Drop me a PM we'll figure out a meet date/time.

I'm really curious to see how the auto PROcede compares to the manual PROcede and if I can keep up.

BTW, what Octane VP you got in there?
Ya i thought i told u guys im really close to u all!!
YES of course im running 1.4!! put it on the hour it came out!
I run vp 91 from the pump 4$ gal
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+1

Since I bought rather than leased my car, engine longevity is my primary concern. Anyone looking to modify the basic way the engine performs should examine how each system affects the fuel delivery, boost control, and other system profiles before making a decision.
I'm on the same boat...purchasing my 335i instead of leasing. Like you, longevity is paramount. It is important to note that anytime you’re asking the engine to produce more, your engine’s lifespan is typically also decreased, with all things being equal.

Having said that though, Shiv has gone a long way in demonstrating to me, the reliability of his tuning methods, via a real world test at the Bathurst race over the weekend. If I am to choose today, it's a no-brainer.

Hopefully, there will be a similar opportunity for TT to prove its case in the future.
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I might go, I'm not big on 1/8th mile tracks.
They're for the AWD crowd.
But that's for another topic and thread.
Nothing wrong with practicing your launches and getting those 60' times down.
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Videos are coming.
I just finished cutting it, but I need to reinstall my compressor software.
I'll have em posted tonight, don't worry.

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Nothing wrong with practicing your launches and getting those 60' times down.
which is exactly what i need to do....
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Sorry, maybe bog down wasn't the right word.
Really, what I think the problem was is that I was starting at too low of an rpm, and when I nailed it, the car wanted to downshift into second, but that just caused the traction control to kick on.
Why not just put the trans in manual mode so it won't donwshift?
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Just my 2 cents worth -- if I were in Germany, I would definitely go with the PROcede because I think it would be more reliable/safe for the engine at sustained autobahn speeds.
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Nothing wrong with practicing your launches and getting those 60' times down.
With the Launch control feature on version 2.0 Shiv will be releasing soon, anyone will soon be able to get great launches.... It's really tricky to do with RFT's so this feature will really help at the dragstrip.
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I might go, I'm not big on 1/8th mile tracks.
They're for the AWD crowd.
But that's for another topic and thread.

Actually Irwindale is a great track, your 1/8th mile ET and trap can tell you alot about how your car is performing. Last year I managed to hit 8.29 at 86MPH with gears, panel filter and Drag Radials, it is a very quick track. I would think a procede 335I with a great launch could hit 8.1 or better.
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I go to 1/8th mile tracks also. Theres not many 1/4th mile tracks around here that are worth going to.
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