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      07-06-2011, 11:06 AM   #23
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I used to think the same until I owned one - now after 2 years I will find it difficult to own a manual car again!
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      07-06-2011, 11:11 AM   #24
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I test drove a Z4 35i with DCT ... but found I think a similar thing to what you have mentioned ... it took - at times - 'ages' to decide which gear to kick down into before it actually did it.

Changing up was lightening quick but downshifts were IMO slow and the pause with this downshift and then the very slight delay before the engine went mental really spoiled the experience.

I was very disappointed and had thought I would be buying the Z4. I didn't. And I was doubly surprised having owned a Golf GTi with the *similar* DSG gearbox.

The engine had the power but it was all spoilt by the delay in the gearbox.
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      07-06-2011, 03:05 PM   #25
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The auto-box on the 335i in D mode will shift up very quickly, in normal day to day driving I rarely seem the rev counter go above 2K. In fact the changes are so smooth i have no idea what gear i'm in most of the time!!

If you want to rag the engine, stick it into M mode ( stick it into DS mode than select a gear ) and your have full control...trust me the 335i isn't short on power

I've found I drive much more smoothly and calmly these days around town, mainly cos the auto box is so smooth and relaxing. But when i got for a blast the paddles are great, and I never miss a gear. Like others have said I don't think i want to go back to a manual if all auto boxes are as good as the one in the 335i
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      07-06-2011, 03:25 PM   #26
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Coming from the Z4 coupe auto and prior to this the 520d auto, I truly love my E92 335i auto. Have rarely pushed into the sport mode, I haven't had the need. Although now the Z4 has gone, I don't have the chavs and old men in MPVs trying to race me all the feckin' time.

I still love not having to wear shitty plastic gloves at PFSs too!
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      07-07-2011, 05:35 PM   #27
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with the 335d you are only 1 gear away from serious pulling power. Cant think of many times if any where I have overriden the D selection with 2 clicks of the paddle.

It's very hard to keep it at 1000 /1200 rpm before it changes back up knocking the revs back to 1500 & a quick flick of the paddle has you over 2k revs. Most of the time around town its hovering around 1500 revs so one flick of the wrist is all it takes.
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      07-07-2011, 06:45 PM   #28
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C,mon guys drive a manual. Be in control.

Leave Autos for people who don't like driving.
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      07-07-2011, 07:02 PM   #29
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Leave Autos for people who don't like driving.

I'm glad I specced my 335D with a manual. Laugh at the big Sissies that have auto boxes.

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      07-08-2011, 01:50 AM   #30
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C,mon guys drive a manual. Be in control.

Leave Autos for people who don't like driving.

I'm glad I specced my 335D with a manual. Laugh at the big Sissies that have auto boxes.

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      07-08-2011, 02:17 AM   #31
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C,mon guys drive a manual. Be in control.

Leave Autos for people who don't like driving.
You're still in the old school mind -set of a traditional autos, where you have a fluid connection between the driven wheels and the engine. The modern DCT type boxes maintain a physical solid shaft and gear connection, as per a manual gearbox.

I'm not for one minuet trying to sell the concept of DCT type boxes, but all that Cods wallop about being in control, is out dated. Arguably you're in more control with a DCT as you can shift faster and have no interruptions in drive, when shifting. But I fully agree they're not for everyone.
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You're still in the old school mind -set of a traditional autos, where you have a fluid connection between the driven wheels and the engine. The modern DCT type boxes maintain a physical solid shaft and gear connection, as per a manual gearbox.
Err my bargain basement Hyundai automatic I bought in 1995 had a lock-up torque converter, with a solid mechanical connection between the engine and the wheels.
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      07-08-2011, 04:08 AM   #33
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Err my bargain basement Hyundai automatic I bought in 1995 had a lock-up torque converter, with a solid mechanical connection between the engine and the wheels.
Yes- but they're shite
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      07-08-2011, 04:10 AM   #34
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I'm glad I specced my 335D with a manual. Laugh at the big Sissies that have auto boxes.

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When did BMW start putting manual gearboxes in the 335 diesel? Didnt even think it was an option.
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      07-08-2011, 04:35 AM   #35
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When did BMW start putting manual gearboxes in the 335 diesel? Didnt even think it was an option.
maybe he has the low power E90 version?

i dont know know .. i only do E92..
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      07-08-2011, 04:41 AM   #36
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maybe he has the low power E90 version?

i dont know know .. i only do E92..
Dont think there is a lower power version 335d, unless you mean the 330d which is available with manual.
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Dont think there is a lower power version 335d, unless you mean the 330d which is available with manual.
wasnt the first 335d about 260hp in the E90?
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When did BMW start putting manual gearboxes in the 335 diesel? Didnt even think it was an option.
They don't come with manuals. Never have. I was yanking his chain.

Were not still in short trousers. If somebody prefers a different method than Stufo's for changing gears it has no relevance whatsoever on whether they like driving or not.

I have the newer ZF automatic in my 335D, and a quick shift, bolt action 5 speeder in the RS. I like driving both.

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      07-08-2011, 06:34 AM   #39
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wasnt the first 335d about 260hp in the E90?
No mate, initially in the 5er it had 272. But all E9x had 286HP
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No mate, initially in the 5er it had 272. But all E9x had 286HP
Sorry im thinking of the Yank 335d its slower..
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Took out a TT S today for a spin!

Got to say it felt like a heck of a lot of fun, got a stupid auto box on it but i think id get a manual version...

Seemed very grippy even in the wet.. far more front end grip than my E92..

Could be tempted.... very tempted...
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How much are they though??

Surely you could be in an M1 for that sort of money, and I know where my money would be out of those two.
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