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      12-10-2010, 10:06 AM   #1
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No cruise control in 5th and 6th gear

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I'm still under warranty so it will go back to the dealer but has anyone ever heard of the cruise control not working in certain gears? I can set it in any lower gear but as soon as I shift into 5th or 6th, it chimes, flashes a warning and quits. Pressing the button while in those gears only shows the set symbol but no speed is indicated.
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bizarre. Never heard this one before.
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      12-10-2010, 11:15 AM   #3
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Yeah seriuosly, this is an odd duck. Please let us know what you find out.
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      12-10-2010, 12:08 PM   #4
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Do you have traction control off when doing it? Cruise won't work unless it's on.
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      12-10-2010, 12:19 PM   #5
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when all else fails... check the battery !

no joke.

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This is very stange, I'm curious to hear the outcome. Subscribed.
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      12-10-2010, 12:34 PM   #7
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when all else fails... check the battery !

no joke.

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Not a bad idea actually. Try disconnecting the battery for 1/2 hour to reset everything...
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      12-10-2010, 12:36 PM   #8
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Not a bad idea actually. Try disconnecting the battery for 1/2 hour to reset everything...
^ that too...

reseting the computer may work. My method of thinking was the battery has a bad voltage output or something is off with the charging system causing the battery to be off... we've all heard of crazy things when the battery is failing.

I'd wager the reset will prob fix it , but we'll see !

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      12-10-2010, 12:39 PM   #9
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My recently sold e46 325 5mt use to cut off cruise control in 5th because my clutch was about to fail and would slip when cruise control applied throttle to get up to desired speeds, higher gears tend to slip first when clutch is about to fail.. just saying
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      12-10-2010, 12:48 PM   #10
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My recently sold e46 325 5mt use to cut off cruise control in 5th because my clutch was about to fail and would slip when cruise control applied throttle to get up to desired speeds, higher gears tend to slip first when clutch is about to fail.. just saying
Yep. Same happened to my '06 e90. BMW replaced the clutch with a rebuilt clutch under warranty. After that, there were no cruise issues.
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      12-10-2010, 01:36 PM   #11
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are you sure you are up to the correct/minimum speed required for that particular gear? if you are in too high/low of a gear for the speed you are traveling while on cruise, it will prompt a warning telling you to shift and may not activated the cruise control at all...
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      12-10-2010, 01:51 PM   #12
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are you sure you are up to the correct/minimum speed required for that particular gear? if you are in too high/low of a gear for the speed you are traveling while on cruise, it will prompt a warning telling you to shift and may not activated the cruise control at all...
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      12-10-2010, 05:40 PM   #13
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I had an 06 Explorer that every time you put the cruise control on it would completely shut off the car, and I mean everything went, power steering, power brakes, all the electrics, everything. I had to put her into neutral turn off the car and then turn it back on again. Never heard of this happening to our cars though.

Any word yet from the dealer?
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      12-10-2010, 07:05 PM   #14
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Appointment next Tuesday so the official cause will have to wait. Traction control on and clutch seems good. Have not noticed any slippage. I will try the battery reset in the mean time. Battery seems pretty strong. No excessive dimming during crank but that means little. Don't have a load tester here. Definately up to the right speed for the gear. Thought it was speed related at first because I could get it working at 45 or so in 4th but not 65 in 5th or 6th. Tried 65 in 4th and BINGO she works!

Thanks for the ideas.
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      12-16-2010, 07:14 PM   #15
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Update - well, there is no update other than to say that the dealer is stumped. No one has ever heard of this problem before. BMW says not a software issue but suggests that it is speed sensor or differential related. The shop foreman is the one working on it now. Next steps are inspecting the diff and trying it with different tires/rims.
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      12-17-2010, 07:58 PM   #16
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Another non-update - Foreman working on it but still can't figure it out. Opened PUMA case for some kind of electronic control module (DME maybe?) which BMW promptly denied without "concrete" evidence that it was the problem. Well, hello? There are no codes, no other indicators and no history of this problem on any car before this one.

Damn, I hate always being the first guy to find new problems with cars. Started with a "hunting" idle on a Carrera, a Volvo 870r that ate spark plugs and an E55 that hit the rev limiter prior to 1-2 shift. No other car in the world had these problems prior to mine. All of these were easy for me to duplicate but in the normal course of driving, the dealers could not. The first two led to fixes but the E55 problem never did get solved. Mercedes finally gave up and said that the number of people complaining of this and the very limited and specific conditions that could cause it were too miniscule to continue troubleshooting. I got nothing from them out of the deal and never owned another MB car again. I hope this is not going to be the same thing with BMW. The only good news is that the foreman is coming in to work on it Saturday.
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      12-18-2010, 06:39 PM   #17
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Well, dealer called and they are still no closer to fixing the problem. They sent an e-mail to the factory rep to see when he can come out and look at it. Not sure WTF he can do. VERY FRUSTRATED at this point.
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It gets worse...SES light came on during ride home. Why can't we go back to carbs and points like we used to have in the 60's?
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      12-20-2010, 08:34 AM   #19
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Wow !

Thanks for the updates... I'm still following this thread.

be thankful they arent tell you... no code nothing is broken - azz hats.

I know you can reproduce it and they should keep the car till its fixed unless the SES is on a loaner.

If it becomes too much of a headache... you know what u can do... perhaps its easier for bmw to swap the car then to troubleshoot.....

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Do you have a tune there was a glitch in a few with cruise control
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      12-20-2010, 10:02 AM   #21
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you have enough speed when setting the cruise in 5th or 6th?
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      12-20-2010, 02:22 PM   #22
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Keeps getting better and better! Dealer just faxed me shop foreman's notes.

"PERFORMED SHORT TEST= NO ASSOCIATED FAULT CODES PRESENT - VERIFIED COMPLAINT. BEGAN ELIMINATING ITEMS AS CAUSE. NOTED 19" SPORT WHEELS, INSTALLED 18" WHEELS PER DOOR LABEL WITH NO CHANGE IN OPERATION. PERFORMED DSC CALIBRATION AND STOP LAMP SWITCH ADJUSTMENT WITH NO CHANGE IN OPERATION. PERFORMED DSC DME SOFTWARE UPDATE WITH NO CHANGE IN OPERATION. INSTALLED DME AND CAS FROM LIKE MODEL - DUE TO DSC FAULTS AFTER SWAP NOT SUCCESSFUL AT ELIMINATING DME AS CAUSE.

NOTED REAR SUBFRAME ASSY SHOWS INDICATORS OR REPAIRS PERFORMED. CANNOT RULE OUT POSSIBILITY OF MODDED DIFF OR ETC?????? CUSTOMER WILL RETURN TO HAVE FACORTY REP INSPECT VEHICLE."

OK, I know that this is a used vehicle so there is no guarantee that it has not been damaged or modified but come on! How can the rear diff cause cruise control to become inoperative in 5th and 6th?
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