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      04-11-2007, 06:43 PM   #1
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PROcede v1.2 vs v1.4 dyno (91 and 93 Octane)

So, today I went to Harman Motive to have Dan upload the new version 1.4 into my PROcede (had v1.2 in from Shiv).

I wanted to see what the differences were between the two versions, so I did a before and after dyno.
I also wanted to see what having 93 Octane does for the PROcede for those who are lucky enough to get 93 Octane in their states. As us poor saps here in California only get 91 Octane, and crappy 91 Octane at that.

Well, cutting to the chase:

Uploading Version 1.4 did the following:
+2.7 WHP at Peak
+10 WTQ at Peak

But that's only part of the story. In some areas (6200-6400 rpms) it picked up about 10 whp.
And between 2000 to 2600 rpms it picked up 15 wtq and between 3100 to 3500 rpms it picked up about 10+ wtq!
There was only one area (between 4400 to 4900 rpm) where version 1.4 actually lost a bit of HP and TQ (-4 whp and -3 wtq). But every other part of the rev range v1.4 basically increased power a bit.


But now for those lucky 93 Octane people.
We then dumped about 2 gallons of 100 Octane in my tank which just had 91 Octane in to make a 93 Octane mixture.
We ran the car on the dyno for about 2 minutes, spinning it up to 5K rpms a couple times to let the ECU adjust.
Then we let it cool for 5 minutes and gave it two runs.
The first run it picked up another 3 hp and 3 tq.
The second run it picked up 5 hp and 5 tq from the 91 octanes best.

Then the UPS guy came so we decided to let the car cool for 8-10 minutes and try one more time (also giving the ECU a bit more time to adapt).

Well, with PROcede v1.4 on 93 Octane the car did the following:
+12 whp at peak (over v1.4 on 91 Octane)
+7.5 wtq at peak

But again, that's only at PEAK, but in certain areas the 93 Octane gained
+20 whp
+25 wtq

You guys that get 93 Octane are so f-in lucky.
With gains like this, you guys should be getting a tenth or two better ET's and 1-1.5 mph better trap speeds at the drag strips.
I couldn't believe how much more power just using 93 Octane over 91 Octane gives the PROceded 335i.

But bottom line, if you haven't downloaded and installed the version 1.4 into your PROcede do it.
It's basically a free power upgrade that's well worth your time.

Oh, and thanks to Dan Harman for doing this for me and hooking me up.

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      04-11-2007, 06:45 PM   #2
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Thanks! Haven't downloaded it yet, but I will.
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I would like to see the number with stage 1 mapping.

Thanks for the info tho.
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Do u have a print out of the dyno?
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Know what forgot to give raw dyno numbers:

First off, I was a bit surprised.
At the LA Dyno Day install, my car only had 1220 miles on it.
With the PROcede v1.2 loaded in that day I dynoed a best of
BEST HP pull was:
311.67 hp
352.84 tq

Best TQ pull was the second run which was:
309.3 hp
355.1 tq

With 2K more miles on my car, and an oil change today's baseline PROcede v1.2 was a tad lower.
Two things to consider:
1. Today it was about 10-12 degrees hotter
2. Just goes to show dyno pulls are not consistent and even at the SAME dyno you can get different results on different days!!

Today, my best PROcede v1.2 pulls were:
311.02 whp (best HP run)
348.6 wtq

309.x whp
352.x wtq (best torque run).


Now with v1.4 loaded on 91 Octane
and giving the car only about 5 minutes to cool
my best (for both HP and TQ) was:
313.8 whp
358.7 wtq


Lastly, v1.4 on 93 Octane.
This was after adding 2 gallons of 100 Octane to make 93 Octane.
We ran that car on the dyno for about 1 minute, revving it up to 5K rpms to allow the ECU to adjust a bit.
Did 2 or 3 more runs.
Then let the car cool for only 8-10 minutes.
And on the tenth pull, only about 15 minutes after adding the 100 Octane to make 93 Octane the car turned:
325.3 whp
366.1 wtq

This with the hottest of runs and only allowing the PROcede ECU about 15 minutes to adjust.
It might of even done a couple more HP and TQ with the engine a bit cooler and giving the PROcede ECU a day or two to adjust fully.

I was really happy with those numbers, and again, am jealous of you guys who get 93 Octane!!
Your cars PROcede and ECU can adjust and adapt to the 93 Octane full time.
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Do u have a print out of the dyno?
Yes, I will try to upload it here, Dan also emailed it to me.
I've never uploaded a pic on this site (or any other forum) before so I'm a noob at that process.
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Your dyno confirms what my ass has been telling over the past 2 days since I installed v.1.4. The biggest difference in my ass test is the torque in first, second and third gears. The acceleration is really sickening. Great stuff. I dynoed my car with the v.1.3 map and may have to make a quick trip back to the dyno to test this new version.

Here is the v.1.3 map dyno: 320 hp and about 380 or 375 tq.


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Ya i would like to see how the torque curves are with the 1.4 map.
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are those corrected or uncorrected numbers?

Nice gain man! I wonder what my car will do on 100 octane... on 91 I made 330whp and 381tq so it looks like I might gain a few ponies!

Good write up brotha!!! and nice numbers!
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Lastly, v1.4 on 93 Octane.
This was after adding 2 gallons of 100 Octane to make 93 Octane.
We ran that car on the dyno for about 1 minute, revving it up to 5K rpms to allow the ECU to adjust a bit.
FYI, to adapt you the higher octane, simply revving it up wont do the trick. You will need run the engine under boost. Maybe as many as 5 or 6 runs before it fully adapts to the higher octane. Just make sure you give sufficient cool down between the runs or heatsoak will mask the gains of the extra octane. But yeah, 93oct is MUCH better than the 91oct we get here in CA.

Don't be surpriced to see a 20-25whp gain by simply running higher octane gas and letting the ECU adapt. With the PROcede, we adjust the timing offsets so that there is plenty of adaptation range for the factory ECU. This is why simply running better gas will yeild big power gains without actually switching PROcede maps (although that will improve things further).

Great testing!

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FYI, to adapt you the higher octane, simply revving it up wont do the trick. You will need run the engine under boost. Maybe as many as 5 or 6 runs before it fully adapts to the higher octane. Just make sure you give sufficient cool down between the runs or heatsoak will mask the gains of the extra octane. But yeah, 93oct is MUCH better than the 91oct we get here in CA.

Don't be surpriced to see a 20-25whp gain by simply running higher octane gas and letting the ECU adapt. With the PROcede, we adjust the timing offsets so that there is plenty of adaptation range for the factory ECU. This is why simply running better gas will yeild big power gains without actually switching PROcede maps (although that will improve things further).

Great testing!

Cheers,
shiv
Good Info!

Driver- looks like you have some more room for improvements then pal!
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Driver, it appears your base number is kind of low compared to other folks at that LA dyno day. I guess it still really hasn't improved too much after adding the 2K miles. how did you break the car in?
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Dyno slips below:

Blue is v1.2
Red is v1.4 (91 Octane)
Green is v1.4 (93 Octane)

These are UNCORRECTED numbers.
Conditions were 75 degrees 30% humidity
Basically at sea level (or maybe 200 feet in elevation).

here goes:
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FYI, to adapt you the higher octane, simply revving it up wont do the trick. You will need run the engine under boost. Maybe as many as 5 or 6 runs before it fully adapts to the higher octane. Just make sure you give sufficient cool down between the runs or heatsoak will mask the gains of the extra octane. But yeah, 93oct is MUCH better than the 91oct we get here in CA.

Don't be surpriced to see a 20-25whp gain by simply running higher octane gas and letting the ECU adapt. With the PROcede, we adjust the timing offsets so that there is plenty of adaptation range for the factory ECU. This is why simply running better gas will yeild big power gains without actually switching PROcede maps (although that will improve things further).

Great testing!

Cheers,
shiv

Yeah, we didn't just rev the engine, we ran it under load on the dyno and ran her up to 5-6K rpms 4 or 5 times.
Then we let it cool for like 5 minutes.
Did 2 runs, then let it cool for 8-10 minutes.

Again, it gained +12 hp and +7.5 tq at PEAK.
As I noted, the 93 Octane actually gained 20-25 hp and 25-30 tq in certain areas of the rpm range.
But I would still think with a bit more adapting time and a cooler engine (letting it cool an hour or two) the car would gain a bit more on 93 Octane.

It is a BIG difference, and now I see how it's possible for guys in states that have 93 Octane to run .1-.2 seconds and 1-1.5 mph faster in the 1/4 mile than those of us living with the crappy CA 91 Octane gas.

Thanks Shiv, thought everyone might want to see actual side by side results of the V1.4 compared to V1.2 as well as actual side by side
results of 91 Octane vs. 93 Octane.
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Driver, it appears your base number is kind of low compared to other folks at that LA dyno day. I guess it still really hasn't improved too much after adding the 2K miles. how did you break the car in?
Actually, of the 7 automatics Shiv did at the LA Dyno day, my car was the 3rd highest (combined HP and TQ). 4 others were lower than mine.

See this post for the results of the 7 335i automatics tested at the LA Dyno Day PROcede install.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54723

Oh, and I broke my car in 70% normal driving, 20% medium driving, 10% hard.
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BMW 335i - $47K
Procede - $1300
Shell VPower 93octane + Procede + BMW 335i = Priceless? Hell no -> Oh $hit!!!!

Shiv... you get that Procede installed in my UPS delivery truck yet? I can't wait till the 16th!!!
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NICE NUMBERS!!! Thanks. Yeah, I guess we are lucky being able to run on 93 octane.
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FYI, to adapt you the higher octane, simply revving it up wont do the trick. You will need run the engine under boost. Maybe as many as 5 or 6 runs before it fully adapts to the higher octane. Just make sure you give sufficient cool down between the runs or heatsoak will mask the gains of the extra octane. But yeah, 93oct is MUCH better than the 91oct we get here in CA.

Don't be surpriced to see a 20-25whp gain by simply running higher octane gas and letting the ECU adapt. With the PROcede, we adjust the timing offsets so that there is plenty of adaptation range for the factory ECU. This is why simply running better gas will yeild big power gains without actually switching PROcede maps (although that will improve things further).

Great testing!

Cheers,
shiv

Just trying to get a better understanding of the factory timing system. How is the PCM able to adjust to the higher octane? Is it pulling timing (e.g. knock retard) with the factory PROCede map and then doesn't pull as much timing when you put in 93 octane?
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BMW 335i - $47K
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Shell VPower 93octane + Procede + BMW 335i = Priceless? Hell no -> Oh $hit!!!!

Shiv... you get that Procede installed in my UPS delivery truck yet? I can't wait till the 16th!!!

You are going to LOVE it.
If you don't already, get aftermarket tires though, you'll need the extra grip. :rocks:
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I was really happy with those numbers, and again, am jealous of you guys who get 93 Octane!!
Your cars PROcede and ECU can adjust and adapt to the 93 Octane full time.
Don't be so jealous as the forcast here call for snow/sleet temp in the 30's for the next couple of day here in the midwest . I don't think 93 oct has any advantage over the 80 degree weather!!!
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Don't be so jealous as the forcast here call for snow/sleet temp in the 30's for the next couple of day here in the midwest . I don't think 93 oct has any advantage over the 80 degree weather!!!


Okay, you are right there.
Should say, "I'm jealous of those of you who live in the warmer, dry climates AND get 93 Octane gas."
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Excellent review!! I like to see people writing stuff like that(before and after,91 and 93oct, 1.2 vs 1.4). Defivnately very interesting information.

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