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      04-18-2007, 08:32 PM   #45
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How do people honestly own a bmw and never heard of Active Autowerke? They make e46 m3 suprcharger kits that go from 265rwhp, to a stg3 at about 465rwhp. They make everything performance for basically any bmw. People ship their cars there from all over the world.They are the leaders in bmw, I know that this is a joke. Go on any other bmw forum, e46fanatics.com, bimmerforums.com, damn they are in 37 diff magazines, they have had magazine covers, countless.
I am sure they heard of Active Autowerke.. they probably haven't heard of them being called "AA"
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      04-18-2007, 09:41 PM   #46
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I am sure they heard of Active Autowerke.. they probably haven't heard of them being called "AA"
They got ads in the Roundel too. I like their logo

Pssst Shiv, maybe you should put an ad in the Roundel!
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I like this Valet/Race switch. I wonder if Dealers will know you have this when you take it in for service... Valet mode.

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There is software info for e92 section under what's new on the front page:

Here is all the e92 stuff:

http://www.activeautowerke.com/whatsnew/main.php

Optional features:

VALET/RACE switch that easily controls the power and boost. All from a switch located inside the glovebox
VALET- Goes from 300 HP / 300 Ft/Lbs Torque
RACE- To 380 HP / 385 Ft/Lbs Torque
Amazing 2 stage switches for different tunes all by the throw of a switch

Part #: AA-XEDE-SW-335
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Introductory PRICE $1080 available April 07
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      04-18-2007, 10:52 PM   #48
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I'm headed to AA tomorrow. I got their Xede last friday but I couldn't get any dyno runs that day. Hopefully they can dyno it tommorrow and I will post the results.
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      04-19-2007, 12:09 PM   #49
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And the PROcede and XEDE go about fuel, timing and boost control in very different ways.

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Kind of like going to McDonalds or going to Burger King...

Proceed wins the input battle.... but we only use 2 inputs anyway. Mr. Lachlan can explain further if he chooses to do so.


Back On Topic: $1080 and they are available.


Once again Thanks for your patience and we will have a lot more stuff for you soon.:rocks:
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      04-19-2007, 12:17 PM   #50
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Active Autowerke

Famous for their E36 M3 turbocharger

Apparently, their 335 with AA/Xede software ran a 12.68 1/4 mile.
Let's be clear here, that was with a custom tuned 335i with exhaust, 93 Octane, sea level and on drag radials, not just their software on a stock 335i.
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Kind of like going to McDonalds or going to Burger King...

Proceed wins the input battle.... but we only use 2 inputs anyway. Mr. Lachlan can explain further if he chooses to do so.


Back On Topic: $1080 and they are available.


Once again Thanks for your patience and we will have a lot more stuff for you soon.:rocks:


Thanks for the info, but do you guys have a Dyno of your product?
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354rwhp? stock!?

I'd like to hear this too.
Nobody is responding to this.
Why does AA seem to keep it so secretive?
I would be VERY surprised if they are getting 354 Rwhp on stock intake and exhaust.
I guess it's possible if they didn't taper off the boost up in the rev range like Shiv did for the PROcede, for engine safety and reliability reasons.
But if that was the case, I would expect Rflow's trap speeds to be much higher than it was. Comparitively (mod for mod and such) his trap speeds were worse than mine and should of been 2-3 mph more if the AA Xede is putting that much RWHP down!


Someone with a PROcede is going to need to dyno on their dyno for comparison purposes. Maybe AA's dyno just reads high? It would be an interesting comparison.
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      04-19-2007, 12:41 PM   #53
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Please remember that AA uses a MUSTANG dyno, which reads 15-20rwhp less than a dynojet. So the numbers that they gave were off their mustang dyno, I am sure that the numbers will be the same if not exceed SHIVs numbers. These guys are the kings of this. They just built a e46 330ci motor for me, top and bottom, did a custom s/c kit, and tuned it all from scratch. Its rediculous. I would always go with AA, hands down.
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I've been told that the new Mustang Dyno software makes them read more comparibly to Dynojets!
I'd still like to see a PROcede and AA Xede dynoed on the same dyno.
The AA Xede car should be trapping a LOT faster than what Rflows did if it was making that much more power than a PROcede, when in fact his AA Xede trapped slower than comparibly equipped PROcedes.
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They just built a e46 330ci motor for me, top and bottom, did a custom s/c kit, and tuned it all from scratch. Its rediculous.
I agree. That is impressive. I wouldn't trust myself to change valve springs let alone build an entire engine. Last time I actually did any hard wrenching work on a car, my left index finger became 1" shorter.

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So you have 4 BMWs tuned by Active Autowerke?
Hes had an E46 330 with a vortech blower that we tuned and engineered, an e46 m3 with our sc kit an nitrous, and then two other NA E46 M3 with Nitrous that we custom tuned. Thats in the past 2 years.
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I agree. That is impressive. I wouldn't trust myself to change valve springs let alone build an entire engine. Last time I actually did any hard wrenching work on a car, my left index finger became 1" shorter.

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So you lopped off a bit of your finger!?
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anyn idea on the longer term effect on the engine. sounds like it might just half the lifespan!!
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I'd like to hear this too.
Nobody is responding to this.
Why does AA seem to keep it so secretive?
I would be VERY surprised if they are getting 354 Rwhp on stock intake and exhaust.
I guess it's possible if they didn't taper off the boost up in the rev range like Shiv did for the PROcede, for engine safety and reliability reasons.
But if that was the case, I would expect Rflow's trap speeds to be much higher than it was. Comparitively (mod for mod and such) his trap speeds were worse than mine and should of been 2-3 mph more if the AA Xede is putting that much RWHP down!


Someone with a PROcede is going to need to dyno on their dyno for comparison purposes. Maybe AA's dyno just reads high? It would be an interesting comparison.
354 rwhp probably with the exhaust, which seems reasonable. I think all the dynos are going to be a little different. I'd be more curious about the delta. If they were able to pick up a difference of 80 rwhp, then thats impressive.

Not to speak for rflow, but he has trapped about 2 mph faster. You posted a speed of 107.6. His best trap that I have seen is 109.46 (this isnt the run posted on Dragtimes, but a 12.702/109.46 done that same evening). Considering he was using DRs, he was probably hooking decent, which would also hurt trap speed. I am sure he could hit 110 on street tires with a slower ET.
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How do people honestly own a bmw and never heard of Active Autowerke? They make e46 m3 suprcharger kits that go from 265rwhp, to a stg3 at about 465rwhp. They make everything performance for basically any bmw. People ship their cars there from all over the world.They are the leaders in bmw, I know that this is a joke. Go on any other bmw forum, e46fanatics.com, bimmerforums.com, damn they are in 37 diff magazines, they have had magazine covers, countless.
Aren't they working on a twin-supercharged E39 M5?

Now THAT, I would pay money to see...
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Not to speak for rflow, but he has trapped about 2 mph faster. You posted a speed of 107.6. His best trap that I have seen is 109.46 (this isnt the run posted on Dragtimes, but a 12.702/109.46 done that same evening). Considering he was using DRs, he was probably hooking decent, which would also hurt trap speed. I am sure he could hit 110 on street tires with a slower ET.
That's not always the case.
Slower ET's don't always mean faster traps.
I've dragged a lot and sometimes that's true, other times not.
With my PROcede 335i, of my 3 runs I did at Famoso, each ET got faster and so did each trap speed, while each 60' got faster.

By the 2 mph slower (rflows traps) I was referring to Shiv's 111 trap speeds with the PROcede.
And the fact if my car had an exhaust and tune for the exhaust on 93 Octane, and at sea level (like Rflow's set up), I'm sure I would of trapped at 109+ too as Rflow did and had the same 12.6-12.7's and that would be on street tires!
Again, I'm not taking anything away from his times, they were very good.
But under the same conditions with the same mods, it would of been easy for me (or any other experienced drag racer with the same set up) to match those times. Just correcting for sea level, my times were 12.95 108.1
The 93 Octane tune alone would be good for another tenth or so and .7-1 mph.
Add in the exhaust and a tune for the exhaust...plus DR's, no problem matching or beating those times with my car...especially now with version 1.4 of the PROcede that has more power now than when I did my runs at Famoso.

Our cars our fast, there's no doubt.
But in order to know exactly what kind of power the AA Xede is putting down compared to the PROcede, it needs to be dynoed on the same dyno as someone with the same set up (exhaust, 93 Octane).
As I said, I'd be interested in seeing that.
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The twin screw e39?! It CRAZY, the car sounds rediculous, and moves like a beast. AA is very true to one thing. They are very good to people, meaning, me being as impatient as I am, go out and purchase fromother companies, and my cars have been through it all. One thing I can always count on is AA, they always either fix my mistakes, or just plain old make them faster, and run more smooth. Thats why I learned my lesson to only stick with them, cause when they put something out the R&D is priceless. Its perfect...I had their e46 m3 s/c stg3+, and I wish I never got rid of it, seriously. The best car I ever had, ran better than stock, more driveable than stock. Oh well, they make my 335 just as crazy...
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I'd like to hear this too.
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Someone with a PROcede is going to need to dyno on their dyno for comparison purposes. Maybe AA's dyno just reads high? It would be an interesting comparison.
I would be willing to have AA dyno my car with the PROcede on their dyno. I am also interested in their exhaust system (I think it will be available late May?), so I could also be the test subject with the exhaust installed.

Omar, if you are up to the challenge (and to sell me an exhaust ), let me know.
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That's not always the case.
Slower ET's don't always mean faster traps.
I've dragged a lot and sometimes that's true, other times not.
With my PROcede 335i, of my 3 runs I did at Famoso, each ET got faster and so did each trap speed, while each 60' got faster.

By the 2 mph slower (rflows traps) I was referring to Shiv's 111 trap speeds with the PROcede.
And the fact if my car had an exhaust and tune for the exhaust on 93 Octane, and at sea level (like Rflow's set up), I'm sure I would of trapped at 109+ too as Rflow did and had the same 12.6-12.7's and that would be on street tires!
Again, I'm not taking anything away from his times, they were very good.
But under the same conditions with the same mods, it would of been easy for me (or any other experienced drag racer with the same set up) to match those times. Just correcting for sea level, my times were 12.95 108.1
The 93 Octane tune alone would be good for another tenth or so and .7-1 mph.
Add in the exhaust and a tune for the exhaust...plus DR's, no problem matching or beating those times with my car...especially now with version 1.4 of the PROcede that has more power now than when I did my runs at Famoso.

Our cars our fast, there's no doubt.
But in order to know exactly what kind of power the AA Xede is putting down compared to the PROcede, it needs to be dynoed on the same dyno as someone with the same set up (exhaust, 93 Octane).
As I said, I'd be interested in seeing that.
I didn't mean imply that slower times always mean faster trap speed...but in the case of a car that is hooking (such as on slicks/DRs), its not uncommon to see the trap speed be slower. Then again, thats assuming no other changes (same air temps, shift points, etc).

I couldn't agree more about the dyno though. It would be nice to see both a PROcede and AA 335i at the same dyno, same time, same setups. I am sure this will happen sooner or later.
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Yeah, I agree.
But it won't really matter.
The Xede just doesn't allow for updates.
Even if by some way, shape or form, AA was able to expand on Shiv's Xede and get a few more ponies and tq out of it, who cares?

And there's more to it than just PEAK power outputs.
The updates and upgrades to the PROcede and the fact Shiv is the one who developed the Xede and PROcede for our cars in the first place, I'd support him for all his hard work. Especially since he's a good dude and cool cat and has served us all well and brought a great product to us that we all can enjoy.
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I'd like to hear this too.
Nobody is responding to this.
Why does AA seem to keep it so secretive?
I would be VERY surprised if they are getting 354 Rwhp on stock intake and exhaust.
I guess it's possible if they didn't taper off the boost up in the rev range like Shiv did for the PROcede, for engine safety and reliability reasons.
But if that was the case, I would expect Rflow's trap speeds to be much higher than it was. Comparitively (mod for mod and such) his trap speeds were worse than mine and should of been 2-3 mph more if the AA Xede is putting that much RWHP down!


Someone with a PROcede is going to need to dyno on their dyno for comparison purposes. Maybe AA's dyno just reads high? It would be an interesting comparison.
I don't make excuses or claim to be special, I just post numbers from the track. Then again I've never been a what if guy just a what is.
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