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      09-19-2011, 02:08 AM   #67
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Anyone else think Mayweather should have been DQ? I didn't see the ref start the fight.
I've only seen the clips. If he did signal to start fighting, he did it sloppily. Nowhere in the clip did I see him make eye contact with each fighter and ask if he was ready and then make that hand signal in between the fighters to resume fighting. As I said in one of my other posts, probably in another thread, it just smells fishy and something you would see in WWE.

If I were Ortiz, I would ask for a rematch. Mayweather did offer him one. He had Mayweather on the ropes in that 4th round and actually won a round on one card.
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I didn't see the ref start the fight at all and I've seen the replay many times. Cortez only made eye contact with Ortiz when the 2nd shot was landed and by that stage it was too late. I thought those 2 shots were illegal and seeing as though Ortiz couldn't continue it would be a DQ for sure. Interesting fight, I would like to see an immediate rematch.
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I have spent the last 36 hours listening to people say things like, "Ortiz isn't good enough to be Mayweather's sparring partner.."

Well, newsflash for all you mayweather cock gobbler's out there, he chose Ortiz as his next fight. It wasn't decided for him. Mayweather said, "My next fight is against Victor Ortiz." That's it.

Shit, I wonder how long I could go undefeated if I only fought the fights I knew I would win..

What if Ali never fought Frazier? What if Sugar had not boxed into his 40s? Losing is a part of boxing when you allow yourself to fight the appropriate competition. But if he chooses to fight to remain undefeated, well he is simply a paper tiger and not deserving of the admiration he so desires.
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I have spent the last 36 hours listening to people say things like, "Ortiz isn't good enough to be Mayweather's sparring partner.."

Well, newsflash for all you mayweather cock gobbler's out there, he chose Ortiz as his next fight. It wasn't decided for him. Mayweather said, "My next fight is against Victor Ortiz." That's it.

Shit, I wonder how long I could go undefeated if I only fought the fights I knew I would win..

What if Ali never fought Frazier? What if Sugar had not boxed into his 40s? Losing is a part of boxing when you allow yourself to fight the appropriate competition. But if he chooses to fight to remain undefeated, well he is simply a paper tiger and not deserving of the admiration he so desires.
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mayweather is a bitch
So what you are saying here is that you would step in the ring with mayweather and say that too his face?

Sorry but not a chance...
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So what you are saying here is that you would step in the ring with mayweather and say that too his face?

Sorry but not a chance...
Just because someone can kick your ass doesn't mean they're not a bitch. While boxing has rules, there is also a code, like there is in hockey. Cheap shots are for bitches.
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Just because someone can kick your ass doesn't mean they're not a bitch. While boxing has rules, there is also a code, like there is in hockey. Cheap shots are for bitches.
So if that's a "cheap shot" what does that make ortiz? A bitch A$$ mutha f****?
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I just watched the fight. I'm not a big Mayweather fan but that was completely legit. Cortez broke them up after the headbutt, took Ortiz by the hand, walked him around the ring and signaled to the judges he was going to take a point off, brought the two back together and signaled with his left hand to continue action. At which point, Ortiz tried to kiss Mayweather again and Mayweather smacked him up. Completely legit.

This fight needs to happen again. Ortiz, even though repeatedly getting tagged, was never hurt, kept walking through the punches. He had enough speed to land some shots and with his strength, back Mayweather into the corner several times. Mayweather definitely had more skill, speed and accuracy to keep connecting and scoring. I don't think if they completed the fight, the shots would have been enough to wear Ortiz down but based on Ortiz backing Mayweather down and connecting in the 4th round, Ortiz had a chance, although slim if Mayweather decided to just keep scoring all fight long and not get into exchanges.

I think if Mayweather is looking to make more money before he puts his record at risk against Pacquiao, he will make Mayweather-Ortiz II happen.
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So I just got back from Vegas and was at the fight. I flew in especially and the experience was definitely worth it.

I stayed at the MGM Grand - and the whole place was buzzing from Saturday morning onwards. There was a massive Ortiz contingent; they were talking shit all day. I had very good seats - close to the ring and pretty damn expensive -- but I was surrounded by belligerent Ortiz fans and it definitely kept things interesting. You should have heard the boos when Money came out with 50 cent. Every time Floyd did anything he was booed. Anytime Ortiz made a run the crowd they went nuts. Everyone was on his side naturally. The fight was exciting until the KO and I honestly think people in the crowd were just stunned at the result...with a mixture of anger and bewilderment. The words that Mayweather had with Merchant at the end was ridiculous...but it made for entertaining boxing.

I'm an extremely loyal Mayweather fan, so of course I'm glad he won. IMO he's the best lb for lb boxer in the game and one of the all-time greats. His speed, accuracy, stamina, technical ability and defense are the best I've ever seen. I truly believe he was right when he said Ortiz would have gone gone down anyway. Mayweather was clearly winning the fight before the controversial KO. I was a tad bit disappointed by the short length of the fight...but it's a W for the money team nonetheless. As far as the debate: Mayweather's KO was completely legal and opinions will vary according to who you supported. Mayweather fans will say Ortiz deserved it ...keep your hands up and protect yourself at ALL times. We found Ortiz's behavior to be a bit bizzare with too much hugging and trying to make up. Anyone who knows Mayweather knows he's crafty and was going to do something to retaliate. That headbutt was straight nasty and completely illegal. Ortiz fans will see it as a "cheap" shot to an unsuspecting Ortiz. Whatever the case, it was a KO even though it wasn't done in the prettiest or classiest of manners. I'm just pissed I didn't go with my instinct and bet on a Mayweather KO before the 6th round. I forget what the exact odds were at the betting tables but some dudes made A LOT of cash.

I won't go into the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather debate. That's just a fight that needs to happen. Pacman needs to take the test. End of.
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So I just got back from Vegas and was at the fight. I flew in especially and the experience was definitely worth it.

I stayed at the MGM Grand - and the whole place was buzzing from Saturday morning onwards. There was a massive Ortiz contingent; they were talking shit all day. I had very good seats - close to the ring and pretty damn expensive -- but I was surrounded by belligerent Ortiz fans and it definitely kept things interesting. You should have heard the boos when Money came out with 50 cent. Every time Floyd did anything he was booed. Anytime Ortiz made a run the crowd they went nuts. Everyone was on his side naturally. The fight was exciting until the KO and I honestly think people in the crowd were just stunned at the result...with a mixture of anger and bewilderment. The words that Mayweather had with Merchant at the end was ridiculous...but it made for entertaining boxing.

I'm an extremely loyal Mayweather fan, so of course I'm glad he won. IMO he's the best lb for lb boxer in the game and one of the all-time greats. His speed, accuracy, stamina, technical ability and defense are the best I've ever seen. I truly believe he was right when he said Ortiz would have gone gone down anyway. Mayweather was clearly winning the fight before the controversial KO. I was a tad bit disappointed by the short length of the fight...but it's a W for the money team nonetheless. As far as the debate: Mayweather's KO was completely legal and opinions will vary according to who you supported. Mayweather fans will say Ortiz deserved it ...keep your hands up and protect yourself at ALL times. We found Ortiz's behavior to be a bit bizzare with too much hugging and trying to make up. Anyone who knows Mayweather knows he's crafty and was going to do something to retaliate. That headbutt was straight nasty and completely illegal. Ortiz fans will see it as a "cheap" shot to an unsuspecting Ortiz. Whatever the case, it was a KO even though it wasn't done in the prettiest or classiest of manners. I'm just pissed I didn't go with my instinct and bet on a Mayweather KO before the 6th round. I forget what the exact odds were at the betting tables but some dudes made A LOT of cash.

I won't go into the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather debate. That's just a fight that needs to happen. Pacman needs to take the test. End of.

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So I just got back from Vegas and was at the fight. I flew in especially and the experience was definitely worth it.

I stayed at the MGM Grand - and the whole place was buzzing from Saturday morning onwards. There was a massive Ortiz contingent; they were talking shit all day. I had very good seats - close to the ring and pretty damn expensive -- but I was surrounded by belligerent Ortiz fans and it definitely kept things interesting. You should have heard the boos when Money came out with 50 cent. Every time Floyd did anything he was booed. Anytime Ortiz made a run the crowd they went nuts. Everyone was on his side naturally. The fight was exciting until the KO and I honestly think people in the crowd were just stunned at the result...with a mixture of anger and bewilderment. The words that Mayweather had with Merchant at the end was ridiculous...but it made for entertaining boxing.

I'm an extremely loyal Mayweather fan, so of course I'm glad he won. IMO he's the best lb for lb boxer in the game and one of the all-time greats. His speed, accuracy, stamina, technical ability and defense are the best I've ever seen. I truly believe he was right when he said Ortiz would have gone gone down anyway. Mayweather was clearly winning the fight before the controversial KO. I was a tad bit disappointed by the short length of the fight...but it's a W for the money team nonetheless. As far as the debate: Mayweather's KO was completely legal and opinions will vary according to who you supported. Mayweather fans will say Ortiz deserved it ...keep your hands up and protect yourself at ALL times. We found Ortiz's behavior to be a bit bizzare with too much hugging and trying to make up. Anyone who knows Mayweather knows he's crafty and was going to do something to retaliate. That headbutt was straight nasty and completely illegal. Ortiz fans will see it as a "cheap" shot to an unsuspecting Ortiz. Whatever the case, it was a KO even though it wasn't done in the prettiest or classiest of manners. I'm just pissed I didn't go with my instinct and bet on a Mayweather KO before the 6th round. I forget what the exact odds were at the betting tables but some dudes made A LOT of cash.

I won't go into the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather debate. That's just a fight that needs to happen. Pacman needs to take the test. End of.
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So if that's a "cheap shot" what does that make ortiz? A bitch A$$ mutha f****?
TBH I didn't see ortiz's offense, but have heard it was cheap as fuck too. All videos have been taken down, if you have one please post it. At least both fighters knew they were fighting at that point though. They could both kick my ass, doesn't mean they both aren't bitches
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damn can't believe all the links are down. I was just watching an HD version of the entire fight late last night on youtube....
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Just because someone can kick your ass doesn't mean they're not a bitch. While boxing has rules, there is also a code, like there is in hockey. Cheap shots are for bitches.
You mean like the code Ortiz was following when he threw repeatedly at the back of Floyd's head? What if that headbutt had cut a 3" gash over Floyd's eye? That shit can haunt you for the rest of your career!

Personally I hate the whole incessant glove touching that some of these fighters do...cough cough Mosley. No one came to see two friendly guys fight - knock the motherfucker out.

Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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As others have said, I didn't see the ref restart the fight. I've been looking for a video of the whole thing, haven't found one yet.
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You mean like the code Ortiz was following when he threw repeatedly at the back of Floyd's head? What if that headbutt had cut a 3" gash over Floyd's eye? That shit can haunt you for the rest of your career!

Personally I hate the whole incessant glove touching that some of these fighters do...cough cough Mosley. No one came to see two friendly guys fight - knock the motherfucker out.

Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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As others have said, I didn't see the ref restart the fight. I've been looking for a video of the whole thing, haven't found one yet.
Cortez sucks. He had a horribly controversial fight last year IIRC in which he made the wrong decision. I think he even got his catch phrase wrong to start the fight.

He claims he told them to fight. He was looking at the time keeper when Floyd KOed Ortiz.
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http://mosley-vs-mayweather-fight.bl...-knockout.html

scroll down to the video... this is a video from the headbutt to the larry merchant interview lol
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You mean like the code Ortiz was following when he threw repeatedly at the back of Floyd's head? What if that headbutt had cut a 3" gash over Floyd's eye? That shit can haunt you for the rest of your career!

Personally I hate the whole incessant glove touching that some of these fighters do...cough cough Mosley. No one came to see two friendly guys fight - knock the motherfucker out.

Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I agree. That fight with Pacquiao sucked. Mosley was all nice to MP leading up to the fight hoping MP wouldn't knock his ass out. It worked. MP barely went after him. They kept touching gloves during the fight.

I'm looking for boxers to go in there and try to kill each other. Exactly what will happen in the Pacquiao-Marquez fight.
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You guys should check this out. Dana White has an interesting perspective and I tend to agree with him. Basically he says Cortez sucks big time and there was a lot on the line for the fighters.

He starts talking about boxing about a 1/3 of the way in. http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/2...ike-airing-be/
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I agree. That fight with Pacquiao sucked. Mosley was all nice to MP leading up to the fight hoping MP wouldn't knock his ass out. It worked. MP barely went after him. They kept touching gloves during the fight.

I'm looking for boxers to go in there and try to kill each other. Exactly what will happen in the Pacquiao-Marquez fight.
Pac is going to obliterate Marquez. Will not
Be competitive at all. Guaranteed horrible fight. But I agree that they will both go after each other.
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