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      04-29-2007, 02:17 AM   #23
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I can understand the point re the importance of relaxed driving. I found the M3 experience to be frenetic, fast and ultimately knackering.

Each to their own re the d vs i, both are more than rapid enough for fuss free overtaking and quietly rapid progress.

I think the factor for me that swung it toward the i was the engine note. I know it's not rationale but it presses all the right buttons for me.

Sounds like you're perfectly happy with your choice which is great too!
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I can understand the point re the importance of relaxed driving. I found the M3 experience to be frenetic, fast and ultimately knackering.

Each to their own re the d vs i, both are more than rapid enough for fuss free overtaking and quietly rapid progress.

I think the factor for me that swung it toward the i was the engine note. I know it's not rationale but it presses all the right buttons for me.

Sounds like you're perfectly happy with your choice which is great too!
Your right the M3 was fantastic for 5% of the time you were driving it at 100%! At all other times it was quite hard work. It replaced a 328i Sport coupe that was torquey and much easier (and more pleasant) to drive.

I've just grown out of tearing around now and screaming the nads off my cars.

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chris, i'm not sure that I have . Will I be dissapointed in 335d in that case ? I'm coming from a 325 convertible so can only be better ?

I don't do the 'average' number of miles each year (I do less) and oneof my big reasons for getting d was the lack of having to wait for the i !!!!
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chris, i'm not sure that I have . Will I be dissapointed in 335d in that case ?
No. You most certainly won't be dissapointed.

I, also , don't "boy-race" from A to B. Normally, just relaxed commuting.

But, I was out for a little cruise on the twisting back roads through the wooded valleys yesterday, here in Switzerland ... and playing with the paddles. This thing is seriously quick. Blasting with relentless thrust from every corner. And it revs high enough - holding on to the revs wonderfully in DS mode.

The thrill felt through the seat of your pants is fantastic ... and even if the sound reaching your ears is less frenetic and tuneful than a 335i ... you'll be too busy smiling ear to ear to care. Fuel gauge will be moving less rapidly than the 335i in the same driving style, I'll grant you that

Have no fear. It is a Jekyll & Hyde machine.

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chris, i'm not sure that I have . Will I be dissapointed in 335d in that case ? I'm coming from a 325 convertible so can only be better ?

I don't do the 'average' number of miles each year (I do less) and oneof my big reasons for getting d was the lack of having to wait for the i !!!!
I'm sure you won't be dissapointed, sure the i a bit quicker but you have to drive it quite hard to realise that advantage. The d has 95% of the performance with complete ease of driving, but it's far from being less satisfying.

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chris, i'm not sure that I have . Will I be dissapointed in 335d in that case ? I'm coming from a 325 convertible so can only be better ?

I don't do the 'average' number of miles each year (I do less) and oneof my big reasons for getting d was the lack of having to wait for the i !!!!
I test drove them both for a day each & gave them both a thrashing. There's not a lot in it really in terms of speed I'm sure you won't be dissapointed!
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Thanks chaps, I'll let you know in about a weeks time.

Chris> Did you observe the breaking-in guidelines with yours can I ask?
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Thanks chaps, I'll let you know in about a weeks time.

Chris> Did you observe the breaking-in guidelines with yours can I ask?
Yes. It's difficult to abuse a car with that much torque and the high gearing
(80MPH at 2000RPM) means your never stressing it.

We're taking it on it's first long trip next Sunday, 300 miles down to Cornwall over A roads (maximum of 15 miles of motorway) so that should be a nice test as it now has just under 2K on the clock. Hopefully see some impressive MPG figures as well

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Yes. It's difficult to abuse a car with that much torque and the high gearing
(80MPH at 2000RPM) means your never stressing it.

We're taking it on it's first long trip next Sunday, 300 miles down to Cornwall over A roads (maximum of 15 miles of motorway) so that should be a nice test as it now has just under 2K on the clock. Hopefully see some impressive MPG figures as well

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Chris,

I'm confused - your first sentence seems to be suggesting you don't need to break it in quite so much?

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I'm confused - your first sentence seems to be suggesting you don't need to break it in quite so much?

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it is not an engine thats never been run, remember that, it has had some running the cam and bearings on the crank are already conditioned, so i wouldnt unduly worry yourself, like i mentioned in another thread, demo cars get hammered from the off and still last 100k + miles

also 2.5k = just over the ton
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I'm confused - your first sentence seems to be suggesting you don't need to break it in quite so much?

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No, just stating that to even try a "Hard break-in" is difficult even if you wanted to. You'd have to drive like a certifiable hooligan to do that in the 335D.

If you think about it totally logically - do a basically standard by-the-book break-in. Let things warm up, and bed in and as the miles grow gently use it more and more, with increasing loads. You WILL feel it smooth out. What is the worst that can happen ? You'll get a nice smooth engine.

Look at what it says on the side of performance (or normal) brake pads ... you MUST break them in. Same for tyres.

Engine tolerances nowadays are much better than before, and the oil is miles better ..... but show me ONE person who doesn't say their car starts to feel smoother and better with more miles ? Why ?? If they are already Run-in?

Because things bed in, loosen up. Tightness smooths out. The engine runs in.

I've rebuilt engines and the bearing settings are such that they are slightly too tight on specs and are hard to crank over (which is way better than too loose/large - ever felt a big-end going, or piston slap, low oil pressure ?). A well used engine will crank over much more easily. The MOST IMPORTANT time in a rebuild is the few seconds after starting a new engine for the first time - some requirements like camshafts require a certain RPM to be held for a set time, build up of oil pressure, water temperature etc. BMW have already done that phase of checking the basics - now it is to you to finish the "running-in"

And if you want more power later (like it seems you do with the chipping questions), then chip it. Better on a smooth run-in engine than a bucket of bolts thrashed from day one.

Drive it like you stole it off the forecourt .... you are unnessecarily putting stress on all your components (engine, gearbox, bearings, brakes, tyres). You are trying to force the run-in process (as recommended by engineers who rebuild bike engines, or lawnmower engines ????????). It seems to mesmerise those who will also believe the "Get rich doing nothing" e-mails, or super bargians on E-Bay which turn out to be frauds, the too good to be true things. Why ... human nature - there are always people wanting everything for nothing. They prey on people's greed. In the pursuit of what - a few "alleged" extra BHP ?

It is ulimately your choice. Just seems logical to do it smoothly. What do you lose ? - takes about 1k miles driving reasonably.

I'd love to see a back to back dyno test with a well run-in engine versus a "Drove it like you stole it" engine - but both after 50k miles.

I used to work servicing cars (long time ago now) and you could most certainly tell good ones from bad ones ... and it did correlate directly to the style of the driver.

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EVEREYBODY should buy the DDDDDDDDD !!!
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i love the D, wouldnt have given it one thought before driving one tho....

its ace, bring on the re-map. Eat v8 m5's
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I'm confused - your first sentence seems to be suggesting you don't need to break it in quite so much?

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Hi Paul

Dave answered your question. In reality you just don't have to push it or rev it to travel fast. The huge torque reserves make the car so easy to drive.

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EVEREYBODY should buy the DDDDDDDDD !!!
And a remapped D is a lot faster than the i, especially so in real world conditions

Mine will be remapped at 1000 miles and I cant wait:rocks:
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I'd love to see a back to back dyno test with a well run-in engine versus a "Drove it like you stole it" engine - but both after 50k miles.
... and then ask them both what work they've had to have done and how much oil the engine drinks.

Modern engines do last under extreme driving. I cringed when I was with one of our service guys on a trip to Holland. Every morning he'd fire the car up drive out of the hotel and straight onto the motorway, foot full down reving until the redline in each gear less than 30seconds after starting the engine. That car did over 120,000miles before it went back, but was drinking oil by the end of it's days and felt just plain tired.

Equally another engineer who ran his car in gently, always let it warm up, would then rev it, but change gear smoothly and generally treat the car with respect finished up with a car that felt almost as good as new after more than 100000 miles and which drank no oil.

Whilst you can get away with early abuse, you'll get the best life out of an engine by treating it properly all the time, not just running it in. Having paid a heap of money for the car look after it
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In reality though Matt, how many of us are really going to have our cars at anywhre near 100k miles? I'm not saying stuff the eventual owner but in reality it won't benefit the current one.
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In reality though Matt, how many of us are really going to have our cas at anywhre near 100k miles? I'm not saying stuff the eventual owner but in reality it won't benefit the current one.
Not me! I've racked up 34,000 in 4.5 years
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Exactly.

Whilst the longevity of the engine is a concern to subsequent owners the majority of people on this board will be rid of the car long before any major consequences of hard running in are felt. You may end up having to top the oil off more often, but that should be about it.

However, there are some here with company cars that are covering galactic mileages and whilst they may not have as much regard for the car as it is as company one, they are the ones that will be without it whilst it's getting fixed.

Personally I've now done 42000 miles in 3.5 years. The car was run in gently and is allowed to warm up before really giving it some stick. You pay your monet and make your choice.
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So when are you swapping it for an e90 matt ?
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And a remapped D is a lot faster than the i, especially so in real world conditions

Mine will be remapped at 1000 miles and I cant wait:rocks:
So who is your choice of remapper?
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