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      10-20-2011, 02:33 PM   #23
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I can't even imagine what a 3.46s feels like. Take a 520whp 6MT 335 with basic lightening mods that runs mid 7s which is ridiculous as it is. And then cut that time in half
I imagine Chewy (not your Chewy) and Han know what that must feel like.

Something like this I suppose?
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I imagine Chewy (not your Chewy) and Han know what that must feel like.

Something like this I suppose?
That's probably about right; those cars make over 1300 WHP and have an insanely quick DCT along with one of the best AWD systems anywhere.
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I've never used the virtual dyno. Are uou using the right gear in the calculations? The datalog shows a 3-4-5 run, not a 2-3-4 run.

That said, it does appear that a 6MT is a bit better suited for 60-130runs than the 6AT since it only needs to do one shift to hit 130mph while still being in the powerband. And with a 6MT+upgraded turbo you will be making good power all the way to redline AND require 1 less shift AND get a torque multiplying gearing advantage towards the end of the run (4th vs 5th gear). That said, I'd be curious to compare this run to Dzenno's from 60 to ~120mph (ie, just before sikh335 upshifts into 5th).

That aside, i think there this car is capable of high 8s with a bit more prep. Maybe some basic weight reduction and lighter wheels/tires would do the trick. Would even be worth going down to (or maybe under) sea level. I don't think the slight altitude here is having too much of an effect. But at this point, every hundredth of a second counts I suppose

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ps. sihk335 is running the 10-18 Stg 3 Aggressive v5 maps at the default settings. Same map that I emailed out to you and several others earlier this week. I've been getting a lot of datalogs emailed to me from beta testers. I'll try to post a bunch up later today. Looks like they are working well across the board.
Nice time for sure!

If you want a good comparison with a 6MT stock turbo car, I ran a 9.12 the other day, albeit running a rev2a and PPS meth...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=118

There are two things that hurt those of us with the 6MT. First off is the 3-4 shift...if I shift too quickly, the ECU kills timing/boost, destroying the run...so I have to do a slowish shift, whereas the 6AT can keep the power, timing and boost going. And while it's nice that we don't have to do a shift into 5th necessarily, given how high in the rev range we are at 120mph, the car is choking, so getting those extra 10 mph takes a looong time...it takes me a full second longer to get those 10 mph than a S/C M3 who ran the exact same 60-120 time as I did. If I had a way to do NLS, I think I would be seeing 8s with no other changes, esp with more boost in the midrange.
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Nice time for sure!

If you want a good comparison with a 6MT stock turbo car, I ran a 9.12 the other day, albeit running a rev2a and PPS meth...
That is a great time also. With these new maps and the NLS I think you would break 9's all day. There is absolutely no bog what so ever just shift as fast as possible.
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Nice time for sure!

If you want a good comparison with a 6MT stock turbo car, I ran a 9.12 the other day, albeit running a rev2a and PPS meth...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=118

There are two things that hurt those of us with the 6MT. First off is the 3-4 shift...if I shift too quickly, the ECU kills timing/boost, destroying the run...so I have to do a slowish shift, whereas the 6AT can keep the power, timing and boost going. And while it's nice that we don't have to do a shift into 5th necessarily, given how high in the rev range we are at 120mph, the car is choking, so getting those extra 10 mph takes a looong time...it takes me a full second longer to get those 10 mph than a S/C M3 who ran the exact same 60-120 time as I did. If I had a way to do NLS, I think I would be seeing 8s with no other changes, esp with more boost in the midrange.
That's a great time with a Rev2a. Swap out with a Rev2.5 and run the new aggressive maps. They are much stronger than what you are running due to the extra 2-3 deg of advance at peak power. I'd say that 8s would be easy with your set-up with that change alone. For $50, it's worth it. And if you can go with dual m5s, you'd also be better off

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I can't even imagine what a 3.46s feels like.
About the same rate as falling. That level of traction and power is unreal.
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Time to break out the frog tape and a set of skinnies on the front to reduce drag. Nice run. Maybe a little nitro in the tank wouldn't hurt...
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We should get an updated list started with stock turbos w/out meth, with meth, upgraded turbos w/out meth, and upgraded turbos with meth divided into subgroups.

Great times! I would have thought that the new Procede maps didn't make much of a difference in 60-130 because the added power is down low, but perhaps that's a question for another thread.

I have no idea what I'd run, but that car must be crazy fun to drive. Congrats OP!
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Unless he deleted it recently it was not in the Mr.5 post when I looked at it the last few days, there are two times there for you. Either way I did a 60-130 run to see where the cars stands with the mods and new maps. When I’m moding i always keep in mind that there is always someone faster, and the more money you throw at a car the faster it will go. I bought this car bone stock in May of this year. Question wasn’t your low 7 second runs with NOS. Try to be ahppy for other forum members we are not trying to take anything from you or anyone else.


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Nitrous runs are on the high 6 to low 7 second range...with traps in the low 130s instead of low 120s. Unfortunately OP didnt see my 9.07 run posted in the 60-130 section when stating he thought he broke the stock turbo record because Mr. 5 removed that particular run of mine from the list in favor of my 7 sec run.

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Unless he deleted it recently it was not in the Mr.5 post when I looked at it the last few days, there are two times there for you. Either way I did a 60-130 run to see where the cars stands with the mods and new maps. When I’m moding i always keep in mind that there is always someone faster, and the more money you throw at a car the faster it will go. I bought this car bone stock in May of this year. Question wasn’t your low 7 second runs with NOS. Try to be ahppy for other forum members we are not trying to take anything from you or anyone else.
Im absolutely glad people are timing their cars. I will try and put another non nitrous run up on the list so people can have a better comparison to typical results. You may not recall, but i was hoping more people would do these kind of 60-130 runs..because it shows how hard a car can accelerate instead of depending so much on launch/traction. And you dont have to take a 800 mile trip to a decent dragstrip. There are so many qualifiers people use for their runs....i could say i have the records for stock intercooler and muffler runs...but then it becomes to complicated...so i didnt really say anything about my 9.07 run being deleted. But since you were wondering if your run was record breaking i almost felt obligated to refer you to the relevent information.
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Hey Op, here's the virtual dyno. Hard to determine anything from 1 run, you need to take the averages of multiple, preferably each direction on 1 stretch of road. The peak is probably due to a bump, or hill... potentially traction. Not sure when the torque converter unlocks but this will have an effect.

But 450ish is probably very close.
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We should get an updated list started with stock turbos w/out meth, with meth, upgraded turbos w/out meth, and upgraded turbos with meth divided into subgroups.

Great times! I would have thought that the new Procede maps didn't make much of a difference in 60-130 because the added power is down low, but perhaps that's a question for another thread.

I have no idea what I'd run, but that car must be crazy fun to drive. Congrats OP!
On average, I'm making 50 hp and 50 ft/lbs more throughout the top end of the power band over the current public maps. I'm running stock down pipes, so the numbers could be better for those with. So yes, the power does come on quicker down low and pulls really hard, but the maps pull harder all the way to redline. All I can say is ....
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FYI, here is sihk335's vbox log graphed out. 3 back to back 60-130mph runs

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1st run = 9.07 s = 38 feet (11.6 m) slope
2nd run = 9.19 s = 36 feet (11.2 m) slope
3rd run = 9.30 s = 19 feet (5.8 m) slope

The slope is a little bit too much for my taste...
But yes, it's within the maximum allowed downhill slope at 3%.

I guess that the time would've been ~9.45-9.50 s on a road without downhills.

Am I the only one who thinks that the maximum allowed downhill slope at 3% is a little bit too generous?
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1st run = 9.07 s = 38 feet (11.6 m) slope
2nd run = 9.19 s = 36 feet (11.2 m) slope
3rd run = 9.30 s = 19 feet (5.8 m) slope

The slope is a little bit too much for my taste...
But yes, it's within the maximum allowed downhill slope at 3%.

I guess that the time would've been ~9.45-9.50 s on a road without downhills.

Am I the only one who thinks that the maximum allowed downhill slope at 3% is a little bit too generous?
I actually agree. A -3% grade is noticeably down hill. But it will be hard to get everyone to agree to change the standards. But FWIW, the car has run 9.3s on perfectly flat road.
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I actually agree. A -3% grade is noticeably down hill. But it will be hard to get everyone to agree to change the standards. But FWIW, the car has run 9.3s on perfectly flat road.
Yes, it's a pity that a 3% slope is the accepted standard...

Do you have any log on that flat road run?
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Yes, it's a pity that a 3% slope is the accepted standard...

Do you have any log on that flat road run?
I'll have to look though all the run files in Sihk335's vbox. But I'm sure its in there. Next week, I'm going to get my hands on the car and do some basic lightening mods (passenger and rear seats out). And run race gas and maybe bump up the boost settings a bit. I'll be sure to do some flat road logs as well as "official" logs for the registry. I'm confident that the car will see 8s.
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I'll have to look though all the run files in Sihk335's vbox. But I'm sure its in there. Next week, I'm going to get my hands on the car and do some basic lightening mods (passenger and rear seats out). And run race gas and maybe bump up the boost settings a bit. I'll be sure to do some flat road logs as well as "official" logs for the registry. I'm confident that the car will see 8s.


I'll also try to do some logs as my clutch and flywheel is installed now!
The car literally flies now!
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1st run = 9.07 s = 38 feet (11.6 m) slope
2nd run = 9.19 s = 36 feet (11.2 m) slope
3rd run = 9.30 s = 19 feet (5.8 m) slope

The slope is a little bit too much for my taste...
But yes, it's within the maximum allowed downhill slope at 3%.

I guess that the time would've been ~9.45-9.50 s on a road without downhills.

Am I the only one who thinks that the maximum allowed downhill slope at 3% is a little bit too generous?
I agree completely. I usally test the "glory runs" where there's a ~1.2% slope with the gas tank running on fumes. Last time I was on my way home from Germany I tested on a number of slopes going back, and with a full tank of gas and bags in the trunk, on a 2.4% slope, I was exactly 0.5 seconds faster. Of course the car isn't any faster, but the time is just a lot better.

Usually when I use my Vbox for testing I use the same completely flat road (less than 0.1% slope/incline) and also run in both directions and also with a full tank of gas. That way the results are comparable with earlier tests and I know whether or not my new mods/settings are any good.

I'm cool with the official list being a competition on this forum, and thus allowing a lot of variables. Just as long as people realize that the car on top of the list may very well not be the fastest IRL
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I'll also try to do some logs as my clutch and flywheel is installed now!
The car literally flies now!
You need to run a rev2.5 with the new Aggressive maps. It's going to be a good deal quicker than what you have. I'm swapping out Enrita next week. Might be worth it to hook up with him and save some international shipping costs

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