E90Post
 


Lux Angel Eyes
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio > N54 (335is) MT Gear Grind - Cold Weather?



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-28-2013, 01:13 PM   #1
bbarker
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2012 335is
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern VA

Posts: 45
iTrader: (0)

N54 (335is) MT Gear Grind - Cold Weather?

So, I'm new to BMWs and I have a 2012 335is, 13,000mi. I wasn't able to find much searching so don't flame me too much, and yes I know I need to just take it into the dealership but wanted to check here first.

Anyone have issues with their MT transmission during cold weather? It's extremely notchy and takes a fair amount of force to get into the gears (I've noticed).

Also, strange issue I'm having... my very first 1-2 shift grinds 2nd gear early in the morning in the cold. After the first time, it won't grind again. It's almost always the very first 1-2 shift during < 30 degree weather. It's happened 3 times now.

So, before I take it into the dealership, just wanted to check if this is "normal" for these transmissions and see if anyone else has similar issues.

Thanks!
bbarker is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 01:21 PM   #2
psmitty95
Brigadier General
 
psmitty95's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 E90 335i xDrive
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Greenwich, CT/ Dallas, TX

Posts: 3,610
iTrader: (8)

Similar issues. I grind 1-2 if i do a 1-2 shift too fast. Idk why but for some reason our transmissions just grind sometimes. If you google it you'll see tons of other people with the same issue. For what its worth I have my CDV deleted and a clutch stop and I still grind 1-2 if i shift too fast
__________________
< Click picture for photoshoot
E90 335i xDrive 6spd, Nav, Prem, Cold Weather, & Sports package - Msport Conversion
Mods: FBO + Meth JB4 ISO, BB flash, VRSF DP/FMIC, ER CP, Stett, SteveAZ LPFP & more
More Pictures: Build Thread /// Shop I use: Aci Dynamix 408AWHP/ 483AWTQ Uncorrected Mustang Dyno
psmitty95 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 01:28 PM   #3
bbarker
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2012 335is
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern VA

Posts: 45
iTrader: (0)

Thanks for the quick reply. Once the car is warmed up, I don't have the grind. It's literally a one-time thing and always the very first 1-2 shift. It goes into the gear slot, but still grinds before "catching." Really weird issue. I've made sure the clutch is fully engaged and it's at low speed. Maybe I AM shifting it too fast but just seems a bit crazy for a 50k car to be grinding a gear because of cold weather and/or shifting speed from driver.
bbarker is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 01:47 PM   #4
David1
Colonel
 
David1's Avatar
 
Drives: 09 E92 09 X5
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: City With No Room For Ludicris Speed!

Posts: 2,606
iTrader: (0)

Clutch stop will only make it worse since you are limiting pedal travel and fluid movement.
__________________
09 335i Coupe LBM - Black Dakota/Glacier aluminum-6spd|Nav|M-Sport|Premium|Logic7|Heated Seats|CA|BMW Performance Suspension & M3 Control Arms|M3 lip spoiler|Avant Garde M510 Wheels
07 335 coupe - Sold
David1 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 02:08 PM   #5
BuraQ
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor

 
BuraQ's Avatar
 
Drives: 11" E92 335is
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Florida

Posts: 3,050
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 BMW 335is  [3.03]
What about adjusting the clutch at the pedal ? In back of the clutch pedal you should be able to adjust the travel of the piston . It might need more travel
__________________
BQ Tuning by Wedgeperformance - ATR Advanced Tuning
COBB ATR SelfTuned: 12.1 ET @ 120.61 mph in 1/4 mile
426 whp / 554 wtq N54 DCT (record)
400+ launches, 3 Driveshafts, No DCT Slippage, Flash Only
"BMW DCT 335is" on Facebook
BuraQ is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 02:20 PM   #6
rorkor
Second Lieutenant
 
rorkor's Avatar
 
Drives: '11 E90 N52 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: here

Posts: 278
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2010 E70 X5 35d  [5.00]
2011 E90 328i  [5.00]
I only got a 1-2 lockout/grind when I really dumped the clutch in first gear for a fast take off, the revs make the hydraulics get loose for a moment and makes 2nd gear engagement poor or impossible. Only happened to me once or twice in my E90 but I knew exactly why cause the E36 M3 had the same issue. 100% Driver input related and I can definitely see it being even more common in a 335 due to the torque and boost pulling on the system.

I cant say anything about the cold weather though, I live in a place where we wear a jacket cause 60f is cold. Hydraulic fluid should not change viscosity drastically in the cold unless it has boiled or is very old and frozen rubber lines would emulate steel lines and increase pressure so maybe you just need to be a bit slower and smoother in the freeze.
__________________
rorkor is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 02:29 PM   #7
ajeffrey
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2011 335is sapphire black
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Francisco, Ca

Posts: 38
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 335is  [0.00]
I have a 2011 335is w/about 13k miles and I live in San Francisco - definitely not a cold weather climate. My car has been grinding 1-2 since I first bought it. Again, it's always the first few shifts of the day. I now move the shifter into second gear a few times before driving the car. This has significantly reduced the incidence of grinding - but it has not eliminated it!

I find this to be a very disappointing build quality issue for such an expensive car. It's also too bad b/c I love everything else about my 335is....
__________________

2011 335is Sapphire Black/Black
6sp MT 269-style 19" rims
Convenience/Cold Weather/Premium/HK Sound/iPod
ajeffrey is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 05:20 PM   #8
bbarker
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2012 335is
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern VA

Posts: 45
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajeffrey View Post
I have a 2011 335is w/about 13k miles and I live in San Francisco - definitely not a cold weather climate. My car has been grinding 1-2 since I first bought it. Again, it's always the first few shifts of the day. I now move the shifter into second gear a few times before driving the car. This has significantly reduced the incidence of grinding - but it has not eliminated it!

I find this to be a very disappointing build quality issue for such an expensive car. It's also too bad b/c I love everything else about my 335is....
Good to hear that it's not an isolated issue with my vehicle, but at the same time sad to see that it's an issue for some of us. I was very careful with it this morning and rowed through the gears before driving the car and no issue yet. Going to keep an eye on it for the next week.

Thanks for all the input!
bbarker is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 07:06 PM   #9
E9TOU
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2010 E92 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Goleta, CA

Posts: 335
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Send a message via AIM to E9TOU
I think this is a common issue for most MT cars -- I've driven several and most experience 2nd gear notchiness/grind. The only car that comes to mind that shifts as smooth as butter is the Honda S2000 -- that transmission is a dream to drive with.
E9TOU is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 09:20 PM   #10
TerraLvr335i
Private
 
Drives: F25 X3 28i
Join Date: May 2008
Location: East Coast

Posts: 52
iTrader: (0)

FWIW, I have an E90 335i (2008) and I don't have any grinding, even in the coldest weather (<20 degrees). In those conditions, shift effort does seem to be a bit higher, and there's some notchiness, especially from 1->2.

If you're getting grinding when it's <30 degrees on the first few 1-2 shifts, I'd have a dealer take a look. I know others have reported that they have a similar issue, but I doubt it's normal. I've had several stick-shift cars over the last 15 years and none have ground on gear changes unless I screwed up the clutch modulation on a fast shift.
TerraLvr335i is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 10:17 PM   #11
PKizzle
Second Lieutenant
 
PKizzle's Avatar
 
Drives: 335is, F25 X3, E36 M3
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Cary, NC

Posts: 221
iTrader: (0)

6MT 335is with 20K miles here.

1 to 2 shifts are sometimes a bit notchy, but have not experienced any grinding. There have been a few times during cold starts that it actually feels so tight to get into 1st gear, that I just engage 2nd move it slightly and shift back to 1st. The notchy shifts are common on my E36 M3 as well, but I feel that the short shifter in the 335is exaggerates the shift effort required a bit.
PKizzle is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 10:18 PM   #12
EosDigital
New Member
 
Drives: 335i
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: St Louis, MO

Posts: 15
iTrader: (0)

My gearbox has also been giving me problems going into 2nd. I've adjusted how I shift to avoid grinding at all costs. If you wait long enough for the RPMs to drop, the synchros will let you select the gear without grinding. It's a frustrating issue for sure. I hope it's not the 2nd gear synchro going out.

If you shift at a higher RPM, it's much easier to select 2nd.
EosDigital is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 10:19 PM   #13
PKizzle
Second Lieutenant
 
PKizzle's Avatar
 
Drives: 335is, F25 X3, E36 M3
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Cary, NC

Posts: 221
iTrader: (0)

Like a few others have mentioned...notchy and tight shifts are a BMW MT trait...but the grinding is not. You should get that checked out.
PKizzle is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 10:54 PM   #14
itchycow89
New Member
 
Drives: 2009 335i
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: United States

Posts: 29
iTrader: (0)

I had the same problem... I usually just double clutch the very first shift, works every time.
itchycow89 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-28-2013, 11:54 PM   #15
Daily_Driver
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 328i MT
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Vancouver, BC

Posts: 36
iTrader: (0)

I live in the Pacific Northwest where 32* to 40*F is common in winter. My MT definitely shifts differently after warming up (the transmission takes much longer to warmup than the engine).

Cold mornings were producing very notchy shifts, but never grinding. Switching to Red Line cured the notchiness.

Lots of threads on using Red Line.
Daily_Driver is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-29-2013, 12:01 AM   #16
pimp4cheddar
El Capitán
 
pimp4cheddar's Avatar
 
Drives: Mojave E92
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Central Florida

Posts: 1,779
iTrader: (11)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PKizzle View Post
Like a few others have mentioned...notchy and tight shifts are a BMW MT trait...but the grinding is not. You should get that checked out.
Completely agree. I have the CDV Fix and Clutch Stop...and it's still notchy.

Grinding doesn't sound right and I don't believe that's normal. Get it checked out.

When in doubt...get it checked out (applies to penile bumps as well).
pimp4cheddar is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-29-2013, 12:36 AM   #17
MGT81
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 335xi
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Calgary

Posts: 426
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbbeemer View Post
Thanks for the quick reply. Once the car is warmed up, I don't have the grind. It's literally a one-time thing and always the very first 1-2 shift. It goes into the gear slot, but still grinds before "catching." Really weird issue. I've made sure the clutch is fully engaged and it's at low speed. Maybe I AM shifting it too fast but just seems a bit crazy for a 50k car to be grinding a gear because of cold weather and/or shifting speed from driver.
So glad I read this thread. The exact same thing happens to me. It's the very first shift after reversing out of the garage. And then fine after that. It's lessened since I installed my ZHP shift knob. The extra weight helps smooth out the shift.

Glad I'm not the only one and this is common to other owners. I was debating having the gearbox oil changed.
MGT81 is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      01-29-2013, 01:55 AM   #18
galahad05
Colonel
 
galahad05's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i Sedan
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Island NY

Posts: 2,475
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MGT81 View Post
So glad I read this thread. The exact same thing happens to me. It's the very first shift after reversing out of the garage. And then fine after that. It's lessened since I installed my ZHP shift knob. The extra weight helps smooth out the shift.

Glad I'm not the only one and this is common to other owners. I was debating having the gearbox oil changed.
I already had the gearbox oil changed.
Yup, mine occasionally does it too.
__________________
Always laugh when you can. It is cheap medicine
--Lord Byron
galahad05 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      01-29-2013, 08:37 AM   #19
ajeffrey
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2011 335is sapphire black
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Francisco, Ca

Posts: 38
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 335is  [0.00]
Whereas it's clearly not "normal" it seems to be endemic to many of our MT cars. Getting the grinding checked out isn't a realistic course of action, unfortunately, as it's nearly impossible to reproduce the experience. Further, until a tranny actually fails, the dealer/BMW will do nothing.

My theory is that b/c so many more cars are being produced w/DCT these days the focus on MT build quality simply isn't there any more. It's a shame and it will almost certainly prevent from buying another BMW....
__________________

2011 335is Sapphire Black/Black
6sp MT 269-style 19" rims
Convenience/Cold Weather/Premium/HK Sound/iPod
ajeffrey is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      01-29-2013, 09:02 AM   #20
335BBS
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 335 coupe.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Posts: 3,607
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbbeemer View Post
Thanks for the quick reply. Once the car is warmed up, I don't have the grind. It's literally a one-time thing and always the very first 1-2 shift. It goes into the gear slot, but still grinds before "catching." Really weird issue. I've made sure the clutch is fully engaged and it's at low speed. Maybe I AM shifting it too fast but just seems a bit crazy for a 50k car to be grinding a gear because of cold weather and/or shifting speed from driver.
Cold synchros I think. Lots of cars are like that.
335BBS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      01-29-2013, 09:05 AM   #21
335BBS
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 335 coupe.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Posts: 3,607
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by itchycow89 View Post
I had the same problem... I usually just double clutch the very first shift, works every time.
..............lines up the cold and sticky synchros. Just let a little temp into the gearbox before you go.
335BBS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      01-29-2013, 09:06 AM   #22
335BBS
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2009 335 coupe.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Posts: 3,607
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajeffrey View Post
Whereas it's clearly not "normal" it seems to be endemic to many of our MT cars. Getting the grinding checked out isn't a realistic course of action, unfortunately, as it's nearly impossible to reproduce the experience. Further, until a tranny actually fails, the dealer/BMW will do nothing.

My theory is that b/c so many more cars are being produced w/DCT these days the focus on MT build quality simply isn't there any more. It's a shame and it will almost certainly prevent from buying another BMW....
Really? Really?
335BBS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:26 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST