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      01-11-2015, 01:40 PM   #1
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The 135i/335i Ambient Thermal Management Stepped Core Front Mount Intercooler. From the innovators that first created the stepped core form factor.


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East USA-$53
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Eastern Canada-$66
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Group buy pricing is as follows:

GB will run for 6 weeks pricing will be:
MSRP-$799 + shipping
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$639/$684(with J-pipe)+ shipping

Once GB is complete we will refund the difference from what was paid to original GB price.

To get a spot in the group buy simply PayPal us a $100 deposit at www.paypal.com and pay this account:
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Please make sure you include a confirmed shipping address, model and year of your vehicle!
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Multidimensional Intercooling:
Prior to our original stepped core intercoolers we designed for the Helix BMW and Mini; you had the option to either go taller or thicker with the cores. In our design process, we measured the captive areas in the front of the bumper in both depth and height. We went about designing an intercooler that took up all of this area in multiple planes. We also designed the intercooler to sit against the factory heat exchangers, so the radiator fan could still draw ambient air through the core when the vehicle is stopped or in low speed situations. The end result is an intercooler with 56% more frontal area as well as 56% more core volume than stock.


Now about the core:
Since we custom spec'd the core to this application, we were not constrained to an off the shelf core in regards to ambient and internal fin count. The core in the ATM FMIC is a single unit stacked up to our specifications regarding to ambient row height, charge row height, internal fin count, and external fin count. Since our core has more volume, we could increase the internal fin count, and external fin count. Since our core has more volume, we could increase the internal fin count and remove more temperature while still meeting the targeted air flow with minimal pressure drop for this application. As you see by the AIT datalogs (below), the intercooler works amazingly well.

Another Design feature to our core is the use of half round header bars on the ambient face and in the charge side of the core. These half round bars help to direct airflow with less restriction though the core to the radiator. The rounded header bars also offer less pressure drop across the core. This is due to the charge air not having to find its direction into the core nor fight flat surfaces (laminar airflow)!


Endtank Design:
All endtanks are not created equal. Air likes to flow in a smooth curved radius and as you can see the ATM FMIC has cast rounded end tanks. Another thing you will notice is we opted not to utilize the factory Plumbing. Our reasoning is simple the e80/90 series cars utilize restrictive charge pipes that shrink down less than 2"ID, we use 2.5" ID silicone charge pipes and 2.5"OD aluminum J-Tube(2009+ vehicles)


Design:
-More core volume than stock- Yes 56%(factory IC is 487/ci , ATM is 773/ci)
-More Ambient face than stock- Yes 56%(factory IC is 111 sq/in , ATM is 185sq/in)
-More charge rows than stock - Yes 13
-Bar and Plate construction- Yes with half round bars
-Sits closely to factory exchangers so air is drawn through when car is not in motion- Yes
-The Finish:
We put a custom finish to ensure an even and appealing look to the intercooler assembly. The result is a look that is unlike what is currently available.

Install:
-Requires Removal of one time use clamps,
-NO cutting or trimming on 335i
- A small amount of trimming necessary on 135i near Ambient Air Sensor.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Pc2Za48.jpg?1[/img
-Utilizes factory mounting points- Yes


2-3-4 Gear AIT Datalog

***we will be posting pre and post Intercooler temps and pressure drop data once we can get some warmer weather here in NJ***

***The datalogs and information shared on this thread is the intellectual property of ATM and may NOT be used without the expressed written permission of ATM***

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Any chance these could be anodized black? Do you have any sources or work with any platers? Thanks, Joe
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Any chance these could be anodized black? Do you have any sources or work with any platers? Thanks, Joe
All 20 intercoolers in this production run have already been sandblasted with the polished logo.
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Guys we are getting things together and will start shipping within a few days. If you are in the USA or Canada please pay in full plus shipping(minus your $100 deposit), remember 2009+ cars need the J-pipe so you will pay the $45 higher price in parentheses and also please note your model year in the PayPal memo. Once these ship out via UPS you will recieve tracking info to the email address PayPal was paid through!

Thanks for the orders and looking forward to your reviews.
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For anyone on the fence we have 5 intercoolers here that can ship in the next few days
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do you guys ship to australia
they do, however still waiting on shipping quote from OP
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Heading to post office in about an hour and will get shipping quotes.
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We will start shipping these on Monday so those that have paid a deposit please pay in full plus shipping. Remember if you have a 2009+ car you will need the Jpipe and will pay the higher price in parentheses!
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We will start shipping these on Monday so those that have paid a deposit please pay in full plus shipping. Remember if you have a 2009+ car you will need the Jpipe and will pay the higher price in parentheses!
Nice! Looking forward to hearing other people's impressions. I'm sure they are going to be just as impressed as I was.
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Cant wait to get this in and compare logs to my ebay one.
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Cant wait to get this in and compare logs to my ebay one.
Will be shipping out via USPS today, Thanks for the order.
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If anyone gets one of these can someone post up a .csv log of before and after install of a wot in 3rd or 4th gear? But also include the 15-20 seconds before and after pedal is released? Or log until the temp goes back down to what it was before wot? Requested that info in the post over on the 1 side of things and never got a response. Curious to see where it stops climbing in temp and how long it takes to get back down after wot is released compared to stock at cruising speeds.
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To be fair, you got a response, but not exactly what you were looking for lol. Dont want anyone to think someone was avoiding collecting data and showing results. Hopefully someone will be able to log stock intercooler IAT. I can get logs for a different car using stock IAT if you want.

Having said that, I don't recall you asking about 20s before and after, so my bad if I missed that. I'm not sure what you are going to get from that though. From what I've seen, after a pull the intercooler temp goes up, and stays there while cruising. Once you get back on the throttle, and the turbo is flowing air, IAT drops back down, then starts to increase if you stay WOT. Also, logging on the freeway may impact how high the IAT is pre and post pull vs logging on the street. I can grab the log if you want, but will only be with the ATM FMIC.

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To be fair, you got a response, but not exactly what you were looking for lol. Dont want anyone to think someone was avoiding collecting data and showing results. Hopefully someone will be able to log stock intercooler IAT. I can get logs for a different car using stock IAT if you want.

Having said that, I don't recall you asking about 20s before and after, so my bad if I missed that. I'm not sure what you are going to get from that though. From what I've seen, after a pull the intercooler temp goes up, and stays there while cruising. Once you get back on the throttle, and the turbo is flowing air, IAT drops back down, then starts to increase if you stay WOT. Also, logging on the freeway may impact how high the IAT is pre and post pull vs logging on the street. I can grab the log if you want, but will only be with the ATM FMIC.
Are you referring to your response saying you don't have before logs? That's not much of an answer. I'm just looking for .csv log because I like seeing the actual numbers from the car rather than the diagrams I'm seeing posted. I want to be able to compare with others. I don't think I specified the 20s before. Its just more data. Why such the sour response to someone asking for more data? I want to see logs from the same car under as identical as possible driving conditions before and after. Where the best place to try and get them. A thread where people are buying the intercooler. There were other posts asking for logs as well. They weren't answered either. If they were it was a no. You said you only had stock logs. I would like to see someone tuned get a before and after .csv log. Anyone think they can do it?
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Absolutely no intention of my response being sour. My bad. Like I said earlier, hopefully we can get before and after logs, that would be great. I would of done it myself but I went from one aftermarket intercooler to the other. I'm all for having more data.

Would be glad to post/share my csvs as well, i will post them in my review thread. Probably wont be til sunday because I wont have access to the computer the files are on until then

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This intercooler has the best iat suppression you can get without meth. Considering this intercooler only rises less than 10f over a pull it would only take seconds to get back to original temps before wot. Even my ebay intercooler is back to temp within 30 sec and it rises 30f on a 3rd gear wot.
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This intercooler has the best iat suppression you can get without meth. Considering this intercooler only rises less than 10f over a pull it would only take seconds to get back to original temps before wot. Even my ebay intercooler is back to temp within 30 sec and it rises 30f on a 3rd gear wot.
Do you have any logs? Just wondering where the numbers are coming from. Would like to compare other brands with these.
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