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      05-10-2007, 04:06 PM   #1
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Advice re: small speeding ticket

Hey guys,

I feel silly asking about this, but I've been deliberating for a week and I really don't know what to do.

I was clocked 91 in a 70 one morning on the way to work. Flow of traffic was about 85-90 but I was the guy who was making a lane change in the lane nearest the officer.

That's neither here nor there. He dropped the ticket to 80 in a 70, so no demerit points. I've had no moving violations on my record in over 5 years. The ticket is like $40.

I don't mind paying the ticket, really, but I hate the idea of having a violation on my record when I wasn't driving like a friggin nut. There's also the Great Insurance Unknown(tm). I see no point in getting representation because there's really nothing to drop the charge to. So the only hope is if the officer doesn't show.

The question is, if he does show, might it make matters worse? Would there be unknown court fees to pay?

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Just pay it, assuming you have a decent insurance company it won't affect your rates as there are no demerit points. Its possible your insurance company will never even find out about it. Keep in mind I have a great insurance company (Cooperators), if you have a clean record (ie. 6 Star or better) they'll forgive you for the odd ticket here and there. I should know.

My 2 cents of course, if your insurance company sucks they might nickle and dime you to death over small tickets etc.
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LAWYER UP. trust me. its not about how innocent you are, the judge does not respect you, he doesnt even think you're a person, but a lawyer he has to do business with all the time.
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Never plead guilty. Got to court and get probation. They'll give you 6 months.
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Cops always show up, especially if it was a speed trap because I'm sure there's 20 others they've nailed scheduled just behind you in front of the JP (if you chose to fight it). I was one of them once, what a waste of time.
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LAWYER UP. trust me. its not about how innocent you are, the judge does not respect you, he doesnt even think you're a person, but a lawyer he has to do business with all the time.
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Never plead guilty. Got to court and get probation. They'll give you 6 months.
LOL! These responses have to be a joke right?

6 months probation for a 10km over speeding ticket seems a bit much.
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Thanks for the input guys. Again, lawyer or not, I don't see how there's any chance the ticket will be dismissed if it goes to trial and the officer shows up. There are no points to take off, there's no room for movement on the fine. My goodness, it's $40! People pay more for not having a front plate! The only way it's worthwhile to me is if the charge is dismissed completely, so that I'm assured it won't affect my insurance.

So again, for those familiar with the Ontario traffic laws and court system, what do I stand to *lose* if I ask for a trial and I'm found to be guilty? Can it get any worse than paying a $40 ticket? Do we have this "probation" judgement in our court system?

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LOL! These responses have to be a joke right?

6 months probation for a 10km over speeding ticket seems a bit much.
I value all of the input thus far, but I do find it interesting the difference between the Canadian and American responses to date
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all true. in NY we have a point system for moving violations that raises your insurance rates. too many in a 12 month period and your license gets suspended. Universally if its ur first minor offense you probably will just have to pay a fine
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all true. in NY we have a point system for moving violations that raises your insurance rates. too many in a 12 month period and your license gets suspended. Universally if its ur first minor offense you probably will just have to pay a fine
Right - and in Ontario we have a similar system. I will stress again that the ticket carries no points. The officer made this clear when he gave me the ticket, and I confirmed independently that 10-over is not enough for any points.

From what I can recall I've got some multi-star rating on my insurance and they say I'm accident free (had an accident in '01). But I don't want to play the insurance guessing game, unless somebody here is intimately familiar with State Farm's practices.

Rather, the only indisputable fact is that no charge = no change in insurance. I'm positive that the only way to have the charge dropped is to fight the ticket and the officer doesn't show up.

So again, the question is:

If I fight it and I'm found guilty, from the POV of the court can I be liable for anything more than a $40 fine and no points? Ie, exorbitant court fees?
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well court fees are almost always exorbitant depending on who's POV. as far as i know a standalone violation carries no extra hidden penalties, unless you were on probation for DUI/young driver/etc.
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WTF is wrong with some of you? lawyer up? plead not guilty? This ain't no lawyer happy good ol' USA

Piper, just pay the fine, if you don't have any violations within the last 5 years, a small speeding ticket won't hurt your record
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from my experience, the fee doesn't go up, it usually goes down, but I think $40 is probably the lowest fine for a moving violation.

And no, you won't have to pay for court fees.

But seriously, save the court appearance for more serious charges (which I hope you won't ever have to think about), it's not worth your time to fight a 40 dollar ticket that carries no demerit points. The parking at the courthouse is damn expensive, they know you have to park there. The time away from work needed to go to the court..etc It's a lot of hassle for a small ticket

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If I fight it and I'm found guilty, from the POV of the court can I be liable for anything more than a $40 fine and no points? Ie, exorbitant court fees?
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I'd pay the $300 to X-Copper even if it's just a $40 ticket. I once got an "improper stop" ticket, no demerits and a smallish fine that I just paid and my insurance broker brought it up next time we spoke over the phone, infact it's still sitting there on my policy info. If it were something like the standardized $110 dark tint, loud exhaust, illegal lights, etc... ticket then just pay it and be done, but for a speeding ticket, no matter what the fine, I'd dispute it.

Also I believe you have to be going 15 over in order for the officer to take demerits.
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Don't plea guilty. Go to Court and fight it. It won't hurt your insurance but it will stay on your record for quite some time - down the road if you are to get another ticket, it all adds up.

The fine won't be increased. It's not a serious offence - the chances are that the cop won't show up. 10km over is not worth the court's time. Defend yourself brother.
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Don't plea guilty. Go to Court and fight it. It won't hurt your insurance but it will stay on your record for quite some time - down the road if you are to get another ticket, it all adds up.
Thats exactly what I wanted to say, get rid of the "easy" charges now, incase God forbid you end up with an offence later on thats more serious, you don't want these things to compound one another on your record.
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It all depends on the value of your time. Your record will be cleared after 3 years. X-Copper will charge $300 or so. So, do you think your insurco will up your premium by $100 a year? I'd pay it and move on although I'd contest it if it was a greater penalty. If your insurance company is going to niggle you over some a minor infraction, they don't deserve your business.

BTW, my daughter's car was hit in a parking lot and her insurco labelled the accident as her fault. She complained and they didn't budge. She was paying high premiums as she's only been driving for a year. She switched companies and is paying a lower premium that the previous company before the accident. Normally, switching companies results in a record check, so don't do this if you have a moving violation on your record in the last 3 years.
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Hey guys,

I feel silly asking about this, but I've been deliberating for a week and I really don't know what to do.

I was clocked 91 in a 70 one morning on the way to work. Flow of traffic was about 85-90 but I was the guy who was making a lane change in the lane nearest the officer.

That's neither here nor there. He dropped the ticket to 80 in a 70, so no demerit points. I've had no moving violations on my record in over 5 years. The ticket is like $40.

I don't mind paying the ticket, really, but I hate the idea of having a violation on my record when I wasn't driving like a friggin nut. There's also the Great Insurance Unknown(tm). I see no point in getting representation because there's really nothing to drop the charge to. So the only hope is if the officer doesn't show.

The question is, if he does show, might it make matters worse? Would there be unknown court fees to pay?

Thanks!

No, if he does show generally they offer an additional plea deal - generally a higher fine for no points on your license.

My advice though, just pay it. It's cheap and the cop was already nice once to you, don't press your luck.
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Guess you don't have a Ticket DR. up there I recentley got a 91 in a 65. Ticket DR. made it go away!
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Guess you don't have a Ticket DR. up there I recentley got a 91 in a 65. Ticket DR. made it go away!
We have X-Copper and the like, but their basic starting rate is CAD$300 plus tax.
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I think I'll just fight it, but no way I'm going with X-Copper et al. I just can't justify spending that kind of money on a $40 ticket, and I hate the idea of supporting that whole industry period. But that's a discussion for another time.

If the officer doesn't show, bonus. If he shows, as I understand it we're still talking a worst case of no points and a $40 fine. Getting the time off work shouldn't be a big deal, and the courthouse isn't far from home/work.

Thanks for the input everybody.
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Go to court? I would have if I have choose again. I got caught speeding, carrying over limit and fail to display N and now I got suspended.
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