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      11-17-2011, 03:26 AM   #23
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AMS, hands down. I know this has been but I don't care. No other FMIC has better flow characteristics and keeps the weight down. HPF is comparable for flow, but then again you are adding more weight way up in front of the front axle. Nothing is as light as stock, but nothing works better and keeps the weight as low as possible as compared to AMS. If you think square end tanks and 2.25" connectors is "good flow" you need to consider your bias and IQ.

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ETS end tanks may not be cast, but I would hardly call them square. Also, the ETS reworks the restrictive stock piping, eliminating the 2.25" connectors. It also has 10 charge rows, not to mention it is 5 lbs lighter than AMS

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      11-17-2011, 08:37 AM   #25
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AMS, hands down. I know this has been but I don't care. No other FMIC has better flow characteristics and keeps the weight down. HPF is comparable for flow, but then again you are adding more weight way up in front of the front axle. Nothing is as light as stock, but nothing works better and keeps the weight as low as possible as compared to AMS. If you think square end tanks and 2.25" connectors is "good flow" you need to consider your bias and IQ.

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      11-17-2011, 10:08 AM   #28
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thanx alot guys

i dont care about a little weight increase

just go for a diet and you will make balance between the intercooler and ur weight jk
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      11-19-2011, 09:51 AM   #29
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Apparently, without even mentioning nor referring to ETS, I have upset the ETS followers. No, the lightest FMIC isn't the best because the stock one is the lightest and it is probably the worst. My point was that some of the FMIC's offered are oversized and therefore excessively overweight (again, not ETS)... some hide 1/2 of the core behind the bumper hiding from any airflow. Some have square end tanks, some use the stock restrictive connections. Buying the "best" FMIC is going to depend on efficient use of your bumper's air inlet hole, as well as a quality core and great flow characteristics. Trying to limit pressure drop is another area of consideration. My point was that, in my opinion, the AMS is one of the best FMIC's for a 335i which does a combination of all of those things without really having a huge negative side. It works well, isn't too terribly heavy, flows well... not the "best" in one area but great all around for the stock turbos.

Try to not get so offended in a discussion, not everyone is going to agree on every product. HPF and ETS I like as well; I would probably want to "upgrade" to an HPF FMIC if I ran bigger turbo/s depending on how well the AMS one held up to high boost numbers. But for now, on stock turbo's, I don't feel like I need the larger/heavier HPF.

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no one ever really talks about the AA FMIC..... do they suck that bad?
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i think the weight is not important that much
and in my opinion if it was heavier it would be better to make the front side of the car face down

so it will make down force while driving so it will make better air dynamic

what you guys said about that ????
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i think the weight is not important that much
and in my opinion if it was heavier it would be better to make the front side of the car face down

so it will make down force while driving so it will make better air dynamic

what you guys said about that ????
Well, kinda off topic but I use KW coilovers and I lowered the front a tad more than the rear for that more aggressive stance. It helped a little to reduce understeer as well, that plus running a few psi higher in the rear tires. I wouldn't purposefully "add" weight outside of your wheelbase just for the purpose of making a height adjustment.

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from the research I've done, i think the best intercoolers are for me.

1) Helix
2) Stett
3) ETS 7"
4) AMS

I do not know about others so i cant comment....

Helix is having a group by now, so I am all over it since this is one of my next upgrades

although all these talks of warranty being denied is making me have second thoughts to install these.
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no one ever really talks about the AA FMIC..... do they suck that bad?
Actually its a great intercooler, but there are other great intercoolers at a lower price point which dissuade many people.

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i think the weight is not important that much
and in my opinion if it was heavier it would be better to make the front side of the car face down

so it will make down force while driving so it will make better air dynamic

what you guys said about that ????
I would just worry about the performance of the intercooler , budget, and the odds and ends of each different intercoler like install trimming connection and end tank and piping.

If you want to drop 6 lbs in the car go on a diet.
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Actually its a great intercooler, but there are other great intercoolers at a lower price point which dissuade many people.


I would just worry about the performance of the intercooler , budget, and the odds and ends of each different intercoler like install trimming connection and end tank and piping.

If you want to drop 6 lbs in the car go on a diet.
Jeff:

If money isnt an issue whatsoever and you have the ability to buy the absolutely best FMIC on the market for the N54/335/e92.. what would you purchase?
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Good point Jeff. I actually installed a FMIC that weighted more because it balances out the fact that my fat ass isn't getting any lighter. So, if you're not worried about a few extra lbs and you want a good quality 7" FMIC that uses the stock C clips, check out Horse Power Freeks. I'm not saying it's the best, but the added weight will help in the corners on the track. LOL
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i have checked the HPF intercooler
i think i will order it because its using the stock C clips

there is any other 7" FMIC that uses the stock C clips ???
and i want to know what is that black pipe or hose in the driver side that its connected
to the intercooler from down side ??
is it the charger pipe ??
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i have checked the HPF intercooler
i think i will order it because its using the stock C clips

there is any other 7" FMIC that uses the stock C clips ???
and i want to know what is that black pipe or hose in the driver side that its connected
to the intercooler from down side ??
is it the charger pipe ??
Take a look at ETS ICs. They do not use the stock clips, but rather replace all the plastic piping - for good reason. It is very easy to revert back to stock if that is your concern. All you would require is to replace the worm clamp that you would be cutting off.

That other pipe you are referring to is the "elbow" running from the intercooler to the chargepipe. The ETS kit also replaces this plastic pipe with one that is stainless steel and without dimples.
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OP- you live in bahrain where its scorching hot most of the year, but do you have a tune?
I would say get the ETS 7", it will support any boost on stock turbos, and will handle upgraded turbos too, plus you need the extra cooling efficiency in that country.

This is coming from someone with NO FMIC at all, tuned at 15psi boost in a hot climate country too Lebanon. But from the countless threads about these questions well ive memorized them.
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