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      12-01-2011, 09:16 PM   #23
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I don't think they'll out BMW by name but I could see them saying something about it being from Germany.
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      12-01-2011, 10:26 PM   #24
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Until yesterday i supported BMW and MB for having mid-size powerfull diesel engines that you cannot find in a Skoda... like VW Group does for instance!
(having an Audi and a Skoda/Seat with the same engines is ridiculous.... only the leather of your seats are different...)

I think this is a real bad move for BMW... less exclusive = less customers

I was thinking in having a new F20 20d M-Pack in 2012 but i refuse to have a Lexus IS / Toyota Avensis with the same engine as mine...

With this agreement i made my mind and i will go for the new 2012 MB A-Class 220CDI, at least it will be an exclusive one...

Kind regards BMW!
Actually, by its very defintion less exclusivity = more customers...
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      12-01-2011, 10:48 PM   #26
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Until yesterday i supported BMW and MB for having mid-size powerfull diesel engines that you cannot find in a Skoda... like VW Group does for instance!
(having an Audi and a Skoda/Seat with the same engines is ridiculous.... only the leather of your seats are different...)

I think this is a real bad move for BMW... less exclusive = less customers

I was thinking in having a new F20 20d M-Pack in 2012 but i refuse to have a Lexus IS / Toyota Avensis with the same engine as mine...

With this agreement i made my mind and i will go for the new 2012 MB A-Class 220CDI, at least it will be an exclusive one...

Kind regards BMW!
So you buy a car based on the image of the brand instead of how it drives? Cool.
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The only winner I see in this deal is Toyota. They are already too large of a car maker and helping them grow larger is in nobody's best interest. I don't see that BMW really has anything to gain here.
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Just make hybrids decent looking, please!
exaclty, with BMW involved now i dont think this will be a problem.
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I always referenced the crossfire and a chicks car. Or a homosexuals car. I'm not judging you, but it seems like you should have been driving that crossfire a long time ago.

You had a 335 rear bumper and exhuast on your 325? Wow..I'm flattered.
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Toyota are you kidding me?

My least favorite brand on this planet.

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Great replies everyone.

I got your pm too. Thanks, great info.

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      12-02-2011, 05:30 AM   #34
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The only winner I see in this deal is Toyota. They are already too large of a car maker and helping them grow larger is in nobody's best interest. I don't see that BMW really has anything to gain here.
The folks at BMW aren't retards. I'm sure the Munich folks have carefully considered all the pros and cons of any collaboration with Toyota before agreeing to this move. As a for-profit venture, BMW isn't simply going to give away diesel engines for free to Toyota without any kind of substantial benefit in return.

I'm more concerned with how long this joint-venture can last. BMW and Toyota have quite different corporate cultures and this is often a big stumbling block. Volkswagen and Suzuki had an agreement for example, one that is falling apart as we speak. I think Honda would have made a better partner. Since Honda has an entreprenuerial spirit focusing on innovation and advanced technology, something which BMW also aspires for. Whereas Toyota has always been more bureaucratic and stuffy, those things are not well suited to the sort of horizontal management that BMW practices.

Still, Toyota's newly unveiled motto is to make their cars "fun to drive" again, and if they are serious about that, then they can certainly learn a thing or two from BMW in that department. And BMW can also learn how to make their cars more reliable from Toyota through their quality inspection methods.

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The folks at BMW aren't retards. I'm sure the Munich folks have carefully considered all the pros and cons of any collaboration with Toyota before agreeing to this move. As a for-profit venture, BMW isn't simply going to give away diesel engines for free to Toyota without any kind of substantial benefit in return.

I'm more concerned with how long this joint-venture can last. BMW and Toyota have quite different corporate cultures and this is often a big stumbling block. Volkswagen and Suzuki had a agreement for example, one that is falling apart as we speak. Still, Toyota's newly unveiled motto is to making their cars "fun to drive" again, and if they are serious with it, then they can certainly learn a thing or two from BMW in that department. And BMW can also learn how to make their cars more reliable.
+1!

IMO, it'll suck for a Toyota owner to replace parts on a BMW engine. :
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So you buy a car based on the image of the brand instead of how it drives? Cool.
+1 So funny how some people reason.

and anyway, BMW was already sharing engines with Peugeot (mini 1.6l turbo)
A great engine will still be a great engine. In a cooperation there is more know how and more budget available, so it should even lead to better things.
And no way I would want to change a BMW diesel for a Merc diesel.
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I'm more concerned with how long this joint-venture can last. BMW and Toyota have quite different corporate cultures and this is often a big stumbling block. Volkswagen and Suzuki had an agreement for example, one that is falling apart as we speak. I think Honda would have made a better partner. Since Honda has an entreprenuerial spirit focusing on innovation and advanced technology, something which BMW also aspires for. Whereas Toyota has always been more bureaucratic and stuffy, those things are not well suited to the sort of horizontal management that BMW practices.
I think BMW was more focused on Toyota's hybrid technology more than anything. Honda might be better overall in terms of technology but I don't think BMW was looking at that. I don't know why BMW won't ship more diesels over here. I don't know the cost of of diesel vs hybrid but I'd imagine they're in the same ballpark, if not diesel being less expensive. But I guess with North America's infatuation with hybrid's, this is BMW just capitalizing on the hybrid market already being strong in petrol and diesel.

I don't see how this could end up bad for BMW and I can't wait to see what comes out of this agreement. Maybe in the future, I can skip a 3er and just go straight for a Corolla/Camry with a BMW engine, the money I can save...

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+1 So funny how some people reason.

and anyway, BMW was already sharing engines with Peugeot (mini 1.6l turbo)
A great engine will still be a great engine. In a cooperation there is more know how and more budget available, so it should even lead to better things.
And no way I would want to change a BMW diesel for a Merc diesel.
Amazing engine and having leased an Echo/Yaris, the 1.6L engine in the MINI is much more efficient.
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I don't think brand preference matters here... both companies have strong R&D groups and financial situations, and can learn a lot from each other, seems logical to me. Innovators gotta innovate.
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I think BMW was more focused on Toyota's hybrid technology more than anything. Honda might be better overall in terms of technology but I don't think BMW was looking at that. I don't know why BMW won't ship more diesels over here. I don't know the cost of of diesel vs hybrid but I'd imagine they're in the same ballpark, if not diesel being less expensive. But I guess with North America's infatuation with hybrid's, this is BMW just capitalizing on the hybrid market already being strong in petrol and diesel.

I don't see how this could end up bad for BMW and I can't wait to see what comes out of this agreement. Maybe in the future, I can skip a 3er and just go straight for a Corolla/Camry with a BMW engine, the money I can save...
Not disagreeing with you on that baoma, no question BMW is after Toyota's hybrid technology (athough strictly speaking, Honda were actually the first ones making hybrids, but the Insight was obviously less successful then the prius). I'm just wondering, since they have agree to both jointly research and develop batteries, how their agreement will work in practice. Since many joint ventures fall apart from incompatible working styles. So BMW and Toyota will have to find a way to work together without compromising each other's strong points, and that is often easier said then done in reality.
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Good pont but they should of met up with porsche or something

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Good pont but they should of met up with porsche or something
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