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      04-29-2014, 09:39 AM   #1
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Epa Is On Us!!!!

Amigos it has come to my attention that EPA has eyes on us!! A friend of mines was contacted and many questions were asked about what or what not and how many people involved. So word to the wise refrain from here on what is aid and WHOM you speak to. As of today i will stay AWAY from this EGR/DPF problems the fine is $100k to whom is doing these jobs. My contact was very serious about this. AND PLEASE don not pm me I WILL not disclose whom they called.
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      04-29-2014, 09:58 AM   #2
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I'll ask EPA to repair my car then.
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      04-29-2014, 10:22 AM   #3
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seems like a good reason for any such services to be done from, say, another country. Its kind of sad that the EPA doesnt have anything better to do than monitor for emissions infractions on a dozen or even couple dozen vehicles, and even more sad that we as a country allow them to have enough funding to waste time pursuing a dozen or even couple dozen infractions.
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      04-29-2014, 10:24 AM   #4
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How many millions are they costing consumers? All of the cost is passed onto us not companies that make cars or equipment. What a bunch of nonsense
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seems like a good reason for any such services to be done from, say, another country
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      04-29-2014, 10:29 AM   #6
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The EGR delete and DPF pipe are sold for off road use only. So we have nothing to worry about unless we drive them on the road.
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      04-29-2014, 10:52 AM   #7
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The EPA is a joke. They are worried about a few dozen of us meanwhile the majority of the US military doesn't use pollution controls. Doubt highly that our US tanks, HumVs, Personnel carriers, etc use AdBlue and won't start if empty. Likewise most motorcycles, watercraft, aircraft, lawnmowers, etc have zero pollution controls / standards.

My 21 inch Toro push mower doesn't have a catalytic converter or EGR. Does yours?
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...Likewise most motorcycles, watercraft, aircraft, lawnmowers, etc have zero pollution controls / standards.
This is not true. The standards are less, but they are there. The older carburated 2-stroke engines haven't been legal for a dozen years or so, and new standards took effect for all small engines in 2012.
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The EPA is a joke.
+1. They're as useless as any other government agency these days.

Thanks Obama.
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I could never understand WHY people are removing/disabling their pollution
control systems when it's a federal violation to do so and often results in little
to no gain.

Of course I've heard stories of fantastic gains, etc. and perhaps these are true.

How do these cars pass their states' emission testing programs? Or are those
fooled by s/w modification(s)?


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PSEE cars that get EGR/DPF/SCR removed will not pass emissions, most of us are in states that require hardly no inpsections, If you have read the threads the EGR/DPF are our culprits, MANDATED by EPA to be so called Clean Diesel BUT unfortunately destroys our cars!!

BTW any gains is good but, when you can gain anywhere from 20-30 whp and BETTER mileage its a no brainer to me!!
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Many states have exempt diesel vehicles from emissions testing. Pa and tx are examples.
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I could never understand WHY people are removing/disabling their pollution
control systems when it's a federal violation to do so and often results in little
to no gain.

Of course I've heard stories of fantastic gains, etc. and perhaps these are true.

How do these cars pass their states' emission testing programs? Or are those
fooled by s/w modification(s)?


some good reasons for us include increased longevity and significantly decreased potential for expensive repairs. Limited research tells me that the fine for an individual is up to $2500. If you are caught and fined, but in the meantime you make it for 40k or more miles, then you likely saved money in the end by avoiding a carbon buildup issue, dpf replacement, or similar high priced fix. Also, its extremely rare that an individual catches a lofty emissions fine, especially if youre in a low profile vehicle like a 335d. Your chances of getting a fine would be higher if you drove a bro'd out F-350 and blew smoke on everyone you drive around but thats just not in the same league as the guys on here considering DPF deletes
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Many states have exempt diesel vehicles from emissions testing. Pa and tx are examples.
and GA
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The EGR delete and DPF pipe are sold for off road use only. So we have nothing to worry about unless we drive them on the road.
Lol no one cares about this in Canada. You can remove anything under your car, nobody will ever ask any questions in Quebec! I was stopped 2 years ago because I was making lots of smoke with my Tdi and when they saw I removed everything under... They laugh and asked if I could fell any difference in power in my diesel
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I feel sorry for you folks in the US. Your government has got you so paranoid now that soon you will not be able to fart without being afraid.

I would just relax and not worry about things. Gov't and their adjunct organizations have more things to worry about than a small group of guys modifying their cars. Plus how can they prove it you did it. And even so, takes you a day to put it back to stock.
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This problem is not unsolvable on BMW's part. Maybe some kind of replaceable filter in the EGR system would do the trick, or sucking exhaust downstream of the DPF to recirculate (maybe not during the regen cycle). But I am not an engineer, I am sure throwing a bit of money at the engineering would have fixed things. Anyhow, if EPA is serious about this they would go after BMW for cheaping out on the EGR system causing a design defect resulting in the foreseeable illegal modification of their engines.

Anyhow, I dont blame the SCR system for this problem. This is a common problem with all DI oil burners. Yes, blocking the EGR will work. But I question whether even the EGR is needed. Doesnt the SCR system do the job anyway? Or is the EGR there incase somebody removes the SCR system?

I think that the SCR system should do the cleaning and the EGR shouldnt even be there. But that is just my 2.
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