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      12-26-2011, 08:24 AM   #45
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To bring a little non-bias to this....

Both are great cars in their own right. Does the 335 beat the gti in all if not most categories stock to stock? Sure. But it is meant to.

I guess it depends on your needs and driving likes. A GTI is a fun ride, lighter car that can be tossed around pretty good. For not alot of $ you can really add some fun to it and make some cosmetic changes that are cool too.

For the 335, its a beast already. Add an ECU flash (ala giac for the gti), I'd do that over a jb3 or jb4 all day (cobb is the flavor of the day) and you have a luxurious car that is a great drive and still a good dd. But most mods are not cheap.

Have you factored in gas and insurance costs? If budget is an issue, the gti will come out ahead when it comes to those and mods.

I'm looking at a gti for my 21 y/o son's graduation but I keep thinking, I'd rock that car if I didn't already love my 335.
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      12-26-2011, 08:30 AM   #46
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The conflict most enthusiasts run into is the pure joy of driving a great performing car VERSUS cost and reliability. What do you give up for what?

After driving a 328i stick, 335i stick, GTI stick, Mazdaspeed3 stick, G37 auto and Civic Si stick in late 2007, I concluded that the 335i was by far the best car. But the N54 engine was new and complex and I wanted to keep my car for 150K+ miles. Consumer Reports rates the 2008-2010 335i's as much worse than average in reliability. If you add modding on top of that, you could be in for unexplained problems and large repairs bills down the road. A finance guy at my dealership told me he paid close to $9K to replace the turbos in his N54.

So I've concluded that the best way to go with a 335i is to either lease it OR purchased a CPO model that's covered until 100K and don't mod it.

I enjoyed the GTI - not as much as a 3 series, but damn nice for $25K. But most VW's don't have good repair records. Buying one with an extended warranty might make sense.

The MazdaSpeed3 is a hoot to drive, but it's rough and very noisy unless you love lots of exhaust note. Rough pocket rocket with pretty good reliability.

The old Si was slow around town (little torque) and crazy at the high end, but it had a great clutch and tranny. I haven't driven the new Si yet, but it seems like a better car. Great reliability.

Which is leaves us with the 328i/6MT. It has the look and feel of the 3 series, much less power BUT a proven NA straight six that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds. It's also 150 or 200 pounds lighter. The 2008-2009 models are rated better than average by CR. I bought one and I love it.

The bottom line is that most of us can't have it all: great performance, great reliability and affordable cost. So we must give up something. Is it going to be performance, reliability or affordability? It's a question we must all answer individually.
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      12-26-2011, 08:43 AM   #47
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A more recent 2010 LCI 328i which has the same or better performance numbers.
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      12-26-2011, 08:58 AM   #48
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AGREE

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1. BMW --- OVER VW (PRIOR PASSAT OWNER) ---------- BMW YES
2. E90 or E92 ------ 4DR with COLD has fold down seats -- E90
3. PRE vs LCI ------------- LCI has the look --- LCI (2009)
4. 6MT vs Auto -------------NO QUESTION here ----------- 6MT
5. Here is the dividing line & YES I have owned both however:

My 07' 328i was an AUTO -- and I hated it because of it -- I began to look for a similar withi 6MT and then stumbled across a 335i 6MT with ZSP, COLD, PREM, IPOD, Alum Trim, IPOD --- took the test drive and was hooked.
Dealer has been good with HPFP and all other issues lees the throwout bearing and turbo wastgate rattle. So here is the rub -- if you have to have speed (335i is not a stoplight racer but a highway, road eating triatheate) -- get an EVO if you want to race around town. The 328i with 6MT, ZSP, COLD, Zen, Prem with low miles - 09' would be an excellent choice -- and would trade my 07' 335i for one.
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      12-26-2011, 09:10 AM   #49
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I don't know how much a GTI costs, but 25k imho is way too little for a 335i.
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      12-26-2011, 09:13 AM   #50
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Consumer Reports rates the 2008-2010 335i's as much worse than average in reliability.
Not only that, it's on a list of vehicles to AVOID. But, wouldn't you know there are still folks looking for that 18-25k 335i. Go figure.

On the other hand, CR is not scientific. It doesn't take a Nobel Laureate to figure out that a G37 or Camry or Sonata deserves all red circles, and a BMW or Audi all black circles.

My car has been 100% reliable since 4/10--let's see, that's 18 mos. CR wouldn't have predicted that either. Wouldn't you love to get paid to predict the weather or stock market?
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      12-26-2011, 09:45 AM   #51
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Cr -- Come On Man

Take away the HPFP issues -- which have 120k warranty and the CR POLL
changes dramatically. May need to add EWATER PUMP & Wastgate to the list.
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Then again - I would no reccomend a BMW to anyone unless they are truly a car guy --- everyone else just needs an appliance to get from point A to point B.
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      12-26-2011, 10:37 AM   #52
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I cross shopped the E91 and the GTi 5-door -- and a few others. The 5-door configuration makes my life easier -- so I'd say an E91.
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      12-26-2011, 10:54 AM   #53
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Is anyone over on the VW forum banging the drum for the E9X over the GTI?
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      12-26-2011, 11:03 AM   #54
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i highly suggest you look at CPO 135i's. while not as visually appealing, they can be turned into one hell of a car. same engine as the 335i, but smaller/lighter. Jb or COBB and meth kit on a 135i and its a tiny monster. just sayin
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      12-26-2011, 11:04 AM   #55
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Go for an used EVO X.

An intake, Dp, cat-back, intercooler and a nice tune, and it is good to go.

If you can upgrade injectors and fuel pump will be great.
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      12-26-2011, 12:16 PM   #56
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I have a 07 335 fully loaded with a manual trans in the driveway, and a 06 gti with modest options and a manual trans parked behind it. Had the gti since new, now with 70k miles. It's my wife's car and she loves it. I tried to buy we an Elise and she flat refused. It's been great reliability wise and is a very fun car to drive and drive hard. It feels very solid.

If you shop around and buy private party you can find a CPO 335i under $25k...easily. It took me 4 weeks of hard looking to locate my 335i an I love it.

Both are great cars and I enjoy driving them both, but you really can't compare them. I use mine or work and to haul customers and the BMW was a bit more "grown up". Since I'm 26 and in sales the BMW was the natural choice.

Drive them both, evaluate your needs/wants and make a move, both are great cars.

I would choose the bimmer.
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Go for the 335i man trust me. I traded away my 07 stage 1 gti for it. The GTI is a really fun car to drive and i kinda miss its practicality. They are pretty quick from a roll but i would not call them fast. They are really torquey lil demons with almost no turbo lag as well. The only problems i had with it was the FWD drivetrain and they have a weak top end. I hated the monster torque steer as well. As for a stage 2 being able to hang with the 335i, not happening. After 100 mph they fall on there faces. If you upgrade the turbo to a k04 then it would put up a fight. But i still have pretty fond memories of the ole 2.0 t. They are definatly more reliable than the 335i if you care about that sort of thing. Other than its practicallity and slightly better reliability, those are the olnly advantages they have over the 335i. Oh yeah and they get better gas mileage too. Hope that helps
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      12-26-2011, 01:30 PM   #58
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1. Buy a CPO car from a reputable dealer - CPO will insure that everything is in good working order or it'll get fixed, and it extends factory warranty out to 6 yrs/100K miles.

2. Get a copy of BMWCCA's Roundel magazine and look at the cars in the classified section - all are CCA-member owned and well-maintained.

You should be able to get a decent 07-08 335i Sedan or Coupe in the mid-20s prices range. If you are looking for something comparable to the Golf size-wise, the 1-series would be a good choice. Best part about buying CPO is that someone else takes the depreciation hit. My 07 E92 was a CPO with 3200 miles on it in January of 08, and I've had 30K+ miles of good experience with it. HPFP replacement is the only major issue I've had and that was handled with a free BMW loaner and no cost to me.
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Good call on 135i, looks like wicked machine once you start modding that.. heard great things about M1 as well (Top Gear), but that's too much money.. and 135i just doesn't do it for me aesthetically, I think it's those head lights that looks like fruit fly

335i Coupe looks sweet.. also love the tail lights much more than the ones they threw onto the 335i sedan.

Other big thing for me is sound.. and you just can't compare GTI 4 banger sound with that of 335i motor.. only sound that sounds better is old R32 which is my absolute fav.

Tks for all advice folks.. looks like I might get dream car for mid 20's CPO.
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Just for a fact, I know a Skoda Octavia RS (same platform and engine as the Golf GTI) that does 11.6s for the quarter mile, which is better than just about any 335i out there. But it has forged internals and upgraded turbo, puts out 600+whp and even the door handlers are taken off the car
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I'd take the 335i; my suggestion is to buy one near the end of the stock warranty, then buy Ford's ESP. Why? Simple .. it costs half of BMW's gold ESP and its coverage is superior (i.e. idrive/navigation). But keep in mind that when you buy the ESP, it must still be covered under the original 4 yr/50K BMW warranty.
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This might sound silly but what is ESP?

Would I have to buy it from a Ford dealer, traded 335i on a new Ford and Ford is selling the car w some added ESP warranty?
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Its just an extended warranty. If you are going to buy one I would also recommend the ford plan. You can buy it online or by phone....

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It's a Volkswagon.....Don't care if it's built on a rocket they are hunks of junk and yes I know what i'm talking about here. The stories of the GTI run rampant with my brothers best friend being a VW Service Manager. Good luck though with the choice.
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problems aside, are they even comparable? not trying to diss GTI but... i cannot imagine cross shopping between the two. 335i in my opinion is mountains ahead...
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While some of you are saying, "nobody cross shops a 335 and GTI"

I am that guy. While shopping for my last cars I went from almost securing a deal(bad timing/title issue) on a preowned 335 to 1 month later owning a brand new 2010 gti.

I absolutely loved the e90 335 6MT when I drove it but the planets just didn't align. At the time when I absolutely had to buy a car, I couldn't wait around for a pre owned one and just went to the vw dealer and picked up the GTI.

Someone was saying the e90 beats the GTI on standard features? Im not sure if you've looked at a base e90 vs a base gti but the argument could really go both ways on that one. The most important standard features on the GTI (to me) are Bluetooth, Sat radio, and Heated seats. All of which are options on the 40k+ BMW; which is embarrassing in my opinion, but like I said, I love them enough not to bitch about it.

The GTI is a great car if thats what you need and want. Having owned one for a year I have discovered that it is extremely practical if you have to carry....anything. Folding down the rear seats (standard) allows you to pile heaps and heaps of whatever suits your fancy into the car. Put a roof rack on the top and you can fit even more. It gets excellent gas mileage on the highway and around town. The seats are wonderful the transmission shifts nicely, the clutch is light and easy to modulate. The engine in stock form is pretty potent and will spin the tires to your hearts delight from a dig. In the rain it will do it all the way through 3rd.

That being said I personally believe front wheel drive cars to be designed by the devil. That wheel spinning power is sweet when you want to go frying your tires around town, but when you are effectively trying to merge in a hurry so as not to be a traffic pancake the GTIs tendency to give you no power till 3k rpm and then wheelspin; is infuriating. I don't even bother using full throttle in first anymore because I am absolutely certain that gear was designed to induce tire smoke and wheel hop and do nothing else useful, such as get the car to second in an efficient manner.

Don't take my annoyance as the car being terrible. I'm just a jaded german car guy who came from an s4 and a 540i. Cars with power that accelerated gracefully in a hurry.

That being said, I'm selling my GTI 2010 candy white, 18k miles. 6 speed bluetooth, heated seats, sat radio $19k obo looking for a 135i


To Hooy: who said VW owners are people who can't afford something better. I know I'm wasting my time e-arguing with you, but your assumption that people buy GTIs because they can't afford something "better" is misguided and elitist. Like I said, I previously owned a BMW and an Audi. My brother went from a 5 series to a VW to a range rover sport. Not all people buy cars to show the world how much money they have, like it seems you think they should. A car is a very personal choice and your assertion that grown men cant drive GTIs is a little childish.


best of luck to you!
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