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      02-09-2012, 10:37 PM   #177
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I thought it was $350... Guess I'll be waiting for Black Friday.
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I thought it was $350... Guess I'll be waiting for Black Friday.
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      02-09-2012, 11:28 PM   #179
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I just cant justify spending $500 for maybe 10-15 HP and TQ. I know boosted makes more power and I dont wanna start that argument.
Please tell me any other way to get that kinda gains for less?!?!
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      02-09-2012, 11:54 PM   #180
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Please tell me any other way to get that kinda gains for less?!?!
Hmm same tune. Lower price.
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      02-10-2012, 12:52 AM   #181
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What happened to the price of this tune? Last year people were getting it for $350
I don't know where you guys got your pricing, but this tune was never $350. it was always $399/$499.

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+1 we also don't know exactly what this tune has to offer.
uh, yes we do. dynos have been posted.

if you don't like the gains, then that's fine, you can always spend $400+ on an intake and get 0-2 hp, or $1,000 on an exhaust and get about 4hp.

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Point is it has minimal gains on a NA engine. Compare this to Unitronic tune- 2009 Jetta GLI

Stage 1- + 45 HP and 73 lb ft TQ @ crank $550
Stage 2- + 80 HP and 118 lb ft TQ @ crank $650...
Maybe you should trade your car in for a Jetta then, and then you can buy a tune that will give you more hp like you want.
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      02-10-2012, 01:14 AM   #182
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I don't know where you guys got your pricing, but this tune was never $350. it was always $399/$499.



uh, yes we do. dynos have been posted.

if you don't like the gains, then that's fine, you can always spend $400+ on an intake and get 0-2 hp, or $1,000 on an exhaust and get about 4hp.



Maybe you should trade your car in for a Jetta then, and then you can buy a tune that will give you more hp like you want.
They said the car didn't want to go past 3rd or 4th gear on the dyno. Btw how much Hp gain over a stock AA tune? And will this finally make a 325i with a stage 3 manifold on par with a stock 330i or better? No one seems to be able to answer that question.
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      02-10-2012, 04:51 AM   #183
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They said the car didn't want to go past 3rd or 4th gear on the dyno. Btw how much Hp gain over a stock AA tune? And will this finally make a 325i with a stage 3 manifold on par with a stock 330i or better? No one seems to be able to answer that question.
Really? No one answered that already?

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Actually we can bring the 325 up to 330 power without a stage 3 manifold

We just did one today.
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      02-10-2012, 08:04 AM   #185
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Really? No one answered that already?



Ok I know that but what kind of gains do you have in stage 2 for a 325i vs stage 1? I would imagine its greater gains then stage 2 for a 330i. Again you are repeating what they are saying which I already kmow, but it doesn't justify spending $500 without knowing exactly what it does. Again those dynos were for a 330i only. We also don't really care that its on par with a 330i, we want an equal tune that is the same for both cars.
Dynos for BOTH cars please.
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      02-10-2012, 08:28 AM   #186
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Just to add more fuel to the fire--why doesn't one of these tuners offer full 3-stage manifold conversions with the correct tune for the 328i? Everything in one box, at one price and fully sorted. There has to be a large enough number of owners that would be willing to pay a couple grand for a 270+ hp 328. The software issues are what is keeping tons of owners from converting.
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      02-10-2012, 09:07 AM   #187
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I don't know where you guys got your pricing, but this tune was never $350. it was always $399/$499.



uh, yes we do. dynos have been posted.

if you don't like the gains, then that's fine, you can always spend $400+ on an intake and get 0-2 hp, or $1,000 on an exhaust and get about 4hp.



Maybe you should trade your car in for a Jetta then, and then you can buy a tune that will give you more hp like you want.
I was quoted $350 last year by a local installer. And Why you so mad?
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      02-10-2012, 09:39 AM   #188
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I was quoted $350 last year by a local installer. And Why you so mad?
Yeah i've def seen it for under 400 on sale. And it's not like this is a piece of hardware, it's an off the shelf generic flash that changes some values in the DME. 500 dollars for some code is ridiculous. I understand it took time to develop it and test etc but I think if they lowered the price a little they would sell more of them and actually make more money. 0$ < $500
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      02-10-2012, 09:52 AM   #189
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Just to add more fuel to the fire--why doesn't one of these tuners offer full 3-stage manifold conversions with the correct tune for the 328i? Everything in one box, at one price and fully sorted. There has to be a large enough number of owners that would be willing to pay a couple grand for a 270+ hp 328. The software issues are what is keeping tons of owners from converting.
I totally agree. I'd love to see a package like you stated.
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      02-10-2012, 09:54 AM   #190
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The Reason I never chipped my E46 330 was because what you pay to chip a N/A car honestly isn't worth it. BMW sends this car from the factory with damn near every pony it's capable of producing while n/a. I used to own a VR6 Jetta; only reason I put a GIAC tune on it (it was n/a) was because it was only $250 installed and they claimed 15-20hp gains (I was young and expected the return to feel like my friends 1.8T). While the top end felt more lively (which, I'm pretty certain was due to the increased red line) only real difference that I noticed was slightly better mpg & no top speed limit. The tune I put on my current Jetta is good for (claimed) 85hp gain and 125 ft/lbs....and that cost me $550 installed!

My prediction is that if someone were to put this on their 330; did a before dyno run and a week after did another set you'd find maybe 5hp to the wheels. N/A cars just don't make the numbers to justify a $500 tune.
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      02-10-2012, 10:44 AM   #191
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For those of you doubting the gains of an N52 flash tune, think again. This is not just "a tiny bit of power", it is VERY noticeable and changes the entire driving experience. I ENJOY driving my car now even without turbos. The car feels dead without it, and these tunes wake them up with much needed torque and SMOOOOOTH power and shifting. Less throttle is needed because the throttle response is completely remapped as well as the shift points...

Anyone who has a tune knows that they're worth every penny. I would have paid $1000 to have this done if it were the only option.
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Eurocharged tune for Chrysler Crossfire

3.2 Liter V6 from a Mercedes Benz


+ 18 HP and 20 TQ and includes the cable to do so. $299

http://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/...une-299-a.html
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      02-10-2012, 11:23 AM   #193
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Eurocharged tune for Chrysler Crossfire

3.2 Liter V6 from a Mercedes Benz


+ 18 HP and 20 TQ and includes the cable to do so. $299

http://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/...une-299-a.html
interesting... definitely puts perspective on things.

Though it doesn't have the flash tool (wireless laptop + cord isn't the same, i think), so the comparison isn't straight 1 to 1. But extra information isn't bad. Its always better for the consumer when they have more information
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      02-10-2012, 11:27 AM   #194
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I mean that a was a special apparently on that forum. Now back up to a ridiculous $532.49 on their site.
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      02-10-2012, 11:32 AM   #195
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This is what im talking about, what are the details on this? If you really did make 330 numbers out of a 325 WITHOUT the 3 stage manifold it will sell like crazy
Yes this is very interesting... I have a 330 intake manifold sitting on the shelf ready to be put in. I am thinking though if it is possible to achieve comparable hp numbers to the 330 with out the 3 stage manifold, then should I even put the 3 stage manifold in? I am hoping Andrew can help on this question.
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I mean that a was a special apparently on that forum. Now back up to a ridiculous $532.49 on their site.
They probably have to take certain things such as volume, customers, etc.

There are few tuners who have as much reach as AA on these boards for our cars, so I don't doubt they're getting a premium on their products.

But if they can pull it off, more power to them.

Healthy discussion, though - thanks jimmydever.
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Just to add more fuel to the fire--why doesn't one of these tuners offer full 3-stage manifold conversions with the correct tune for the 328i? Everything in one box, at one price and fully sorted. There has to be a large enough number of owners that would be willing to pay a couple grand for a 270+ hp 328. The software issues are what is keeping tons of owners from converting.
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For those of you doubting the gains of an N52 flash tune, think again. This is not just "a tiny bit of power", it is VERY noticeable and changes the entire driving experience. I ENJOY driving my car now even without turbos. The car feels dead without it, and these tunes wake them up with much needed torque and SMOOOOOTH power and shifting. Less throttle is needed because the throttle response is completely remapped as well as the shift points...

Anyone who has a tune knows that they're worth every penny. I would have paid $1000 to have this done if it were the only option.
imagine how blown your mind would be if you received a tune that really delivered power.

In the E46 you could manually reset the ecu, It gave the illusion of power gains because it reset all of the DME's fuel maps and throttle response was precise! After a while it would settle back in to one of the pre-determined fuel maps and and you wouldn't notice how lack luster it was until you reset it again.

Until someone other than AA can produce results that show significant or even semi significant gains, this appears to be nothing more than a sprint booster with a few additional remaps for rev limiter and speed govern
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