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      01-23-2012, 08:13 AM   #67
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Thanks.

I assume the newer versions work on 64bit like 6.4.7? What version of INPA are you on?
No, you cannot use 64-bit Windows. The EDIABAS and INPA software contain some 16-bit and some 32-bit applications. Microsoft removed 16-bit backwards compatibility from their 64-bit Windows. You MUST use 32-bit windows.
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There should be some install instructions in a PDF on the same download site.

Are you on a 32 or 64 bit Windows? You need the version I posted to use on 64bit.

Followed these instructions:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=564570
The thread link you posted the VMware is no longer a valid link to obtain the VMware. Doesn't work.
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VAS the path change can be done if Windows 7 32bit is run under parallels in macbook? The path there is different than the one mentioned in the how to pdf.
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So the coded values did not match what was written on the injectors? Did you ever get misfire codes for these cylinders too? I would go back to the dealer and give them hell!

Glad you got everything sorted out and thanks for taking the time to do this
I just want to make sure that you guys know that usually the very last number of the 6 (in this case the last decimal of flow) and sometimes the 5th number changes on its own when using a GT1 and BMW software to code injectors. I've seen this happen every time I recoded an injector.

Vas didn't say whether this was the discrepancy or not of his miscoded injectors. If it was then they were coded properly but the software automatically changed the number. The first time I started changing my injectors at my friend's shop, I had thought that 5 of my injectors were coded wrong, but they were done correctly.

Now the stealership remembering the decouplers is a whole nother story...
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^ Dzenno said one of his injectors did not even have values tied to it. INPA showed question marks where the values should be. So far, his misfire is gone since coding it.
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Vas didn't say whether this was the discrepancy or not of his miscoded injectors. If it was then they were coded properly but the software automatically changed the number.
You are correct. I thought I had 2 miscoded injectors (number 3 and number 5) but in actuality the ECU will sometimes change the last decimal point in the flow value. For an example: I have my injector 3 shows 2.35 mg/stk but it is actually stamped as 236 on the injector itself. When I tried to change it to 2.36, INPA took that value and then the ECU changed it back to 2.35.

This does not happen with all injectors. It happens with selected ones. I suspect this is related to a specific part number.

Also, I looked at my injector part numbers and it is a parts numbers galore! I don't think I have two injectors with the same revision. Some of them even have different clamps.

Again, I strongly recommend that everyone checks that their injectors have the decoupling elements aka seals. If not, those injectors will be protruding their needles further into the combustion chamber and will sit closer to the spark plug.
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Lol at the bottom feeders in this thread.
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Lol at the bottom feeders in this thread.
And what is that remark suppose to imply?
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And what is that remark suppose to imply?
i think there are many people getting payed for coding and are afraid to loose clients
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No, you cannot use 64-bit Windows. The EDIABAS and INPA software contain some 16-bit and some 32-bit applications. Microsoft removed 16-bit backwards compatibility from their 64-bit Windows. You MUST use 32-bit windows.
VAS, I installed EDIABAS (7.2.0) with INPA (5.0.2) in XP Mode (through Virtual PC) and seems to install and run OK on Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit.

I don't have a cable so I can't say for sure. It only shows the <F1>, <F2> and <F10> options without the cable.


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INPA will load, but when you actually start coding, it will crash on 64-bit systems.

Also, it looks like it is not communicating with the ECU. Check C:\Ediabas\Bin\obd.ini file and make sure it has the correct Com port. Once ready, copy obd.ini in the C:\Windows folder


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i think there are many people getting payed for coding and are afraid to loose clients
Pretty sad if that's the case. There will always be money made for those that don't want to do it on their own and learn. There will always be a market for that. I guess I am a bottom feeder then. Lol
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INPA will load, but when you actually start coding, it will crash on 64-bit systems.

Also, it looks like it is not communicating with the ECU. Check C:\Ediabas\Bin\obd.ini file and make sure it has the correct Com port. Once ready, copy obd.ini in the C:\Windows folder


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Thanks. Don't actually have a cable yet, just playing around to see if I can get the SW to work on my PC. I don't a 32 bit PC at the moment.

Found a few threads where guys were using INPA in "XP Mode" (32bit virtualized OS) on a Win7 64bit so I have my fingers crossed:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=613312

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...t-1749746.html

http://www.forums.bimmerfest.com/sho....php?p=6489550

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Guys,

I just got another email from Bavarian Technic. I asked them yet again, to work on injector coding for N54/N55. Here is their response:

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Our engineers are working on the injector coding, but inclusion of that feature remains several months out.
So it looks like we might get this feature some time this year.
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Guys,

I just got another email from Bavarian Technic. I asked them yet again, to work on injector coding for N54/N55. Here is their response:



So it looks like we might get this feature some time this year.
Thanks. I thought about emailing them again. Can never be too many requests. It would be a huge win for them an the community. Especially since I bet this will have to be done for all the new DI engines.
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Guys,

I just got another email from Bavarian Technic. I asked them yet again, to work on injector coding for N54/N55. Here is their response:



So it looks like we might get this feature some time this year.
Funny, I just sent them an email yesterday too and got the same response.

Maybe if everyone sends in another flood of email requests for this feature it will make sure it is on the top of their list.

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It means this is nothing new. You guys would've known how to do this if you actually searched. The info is and has been out there.
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Again, I strongly recommend that everyone checks that their injectors have the decoupling elements aka seals. If not, those injectors will be protruding their needles further into the combustion chamber and will sit closer to the spark plug.
Anyone with misfires 100% needs to do this. When the stealership installed my 2nd set of injectors they did not put a single decoupler on. I didn't notice this until I started replacing the 2nd set one by one at different times. Since replacing my 2nd set and adding the decouplers I have not had another misfire. It could've been the decouplers all along.
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Anyone with misfires 100% needs to do this. When the stealership installed my 2nd set of injectors they did not put a single decoupler on. I didn't notice this until I started replacing the 2nd set one by one at different times. Since replacing my 2nd set and adding the decouplers I have not had another misfire. It could've been the decouplers all along.
same happened to me, not the dealer though but an indy shop. They reused the gaskets, decouplers were crushed and they probably did not reinstall the injectors in the right order. You could clearly see on the injectors that they were leaking pressure from combustion chamber.
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It means this is nothing new. You guys would've known how to do this if you actually searched. The info is and has been out there.
Not to code injectors smarty pants!! Lol. This is something new and if your were fully modded you would understand why we are so interested in this. Who cares about gong/chime delete or corner deletes etc:rolleyes :
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I just want to make sure that you guys know that usually the very last number of the 6 (in this case the last decimal of flow) and sometimes the 5th number changes on its own when using a GT1 and BMW software to code injectors. I've seen this happen every time I recoded an injector.

Vas didn't say whether this was the discrepancy or not of his miscoded injectors. If it was then they were coded properly but the software automatically changed the number. The first time I started changing my injectors at my friend's shop, I had thought that 5 of my injectors were coded wrong, but they were done correctly.

Now the stealership remembering the decouplers is a whole nother story...
I just checked mine via Autologic, and sure enough, 3 of the injectors had slightly different numbers in the second group - off by 0.02. I changed them anyway, and 2 of the 3 took. The third one moved by 0.01 instead of 0.02.

Interesting that all of mine are rated MUCH lower than Vas' - 1.6x-1.7x versus 2.2x.
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I just checked mine via Autologic, and sure enough, 3 of the injectors had slightly different numbers in the second group - off by 0.02. I changed them anyway, and 2 of the 3 took. The third one moved by 0.01 instead of 0.02.

Interesting that all of mine are rated MUCH lower than Vas' - 1.6x-1.7x versus 2.2x.
That makes me wonder if the ecu adjusts them overtime depending on their performance...
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