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      05-27-2007, 07:59 AM   #1
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Newbie - about to order E92 335i M Sport

Hello all,
I have been posting on BMWLand, the great people over there suggested I come here to 'speak' with you folks.

Surprise, surprise but I am a big BMW fan although I am currently blasting around in a 'Dagenham Dustbin' Focus ST3 (couldnt resist the urge for a few months whilst I decide on next purchase!). My last two Beemers were an 1994 E60 530i SE and, more recently, a 2006 E91 320d M Sport Touring which went back to the dealer last week after 8 months and 12K miles of very contented motoring. Whilst I was there I was given the keys to an E93 335i SE and I took it for a spin. To cut to the chase, I now now totally hooked and am looking to buy an E92, the E93 is out of my price league! The 335i engine was totally awesome, the noise was out of this world, and I have an urge to return to petrol after a spell in a diesel. I saw that someone had 34mpg from his 335i on the motorway so that makes it easier to bear the additional fuel consumption.

I have looked at both the SE and M Sport and have decided, rightly or wrongly, on the M Sport Auto (my friend at the dealership said he would be very reluctant to recommend a manual 335i). The spec is Le Mans Blue, Cream Beige Leather, Prof Nav, B/T, 6CD, folding mirrors, Burr walnut and mats. I am probably tied into getting the car from my local dealer, which is not a bad thing, as they took my 320d back at a good price and kept the equity as a deposit on my next purchase. However, I have been researching the net for the best deals, with the aim of getting a PCP monthly payment that is 'respectable'! The best deal I have seen is from Carfile.net, offering a 9.2% discount and finance at 8.9%, I want to try and get my dealer to match this. He is currently saying that I can have a 6% discount off list.
Does anyone know what sort of margin dealers have? and my final question is what are the current realistic delivery times of factory orders.

Also keen to hear from other 335i owners, are they many on here???
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hi there and welcome

there are loads of 335i owners on here. i Have not driven one but if its anything as dynamic as the 335d your in for a great driving experiance :rocks:


blows the focus st into the weeds literally

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blows the focus st into the weeds literally
I can pretty much guess you've never driven an ST, either ?

I like them.

I think a 335i manual is more "dynamic" than a 335D.

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dave you always pissing on my fire,

you have some sort of problem with me

the focus st quarter miles in like 15 seconds,

the 335's (d/i) are 13 sec cars!

so does blow them away my friend

and what makes the 'i' for you more dynamic i am very interested to hear
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being an ex ford man, i like the ST, not half a car the escort cosworth is tho
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dave you always pissing on my fire,

you have some sort of problem with me

the focus st quarter miles in like 15 seconds,

the 335's (d/i) are 13 sec cars!

so does blow them away my friend

and what makes the 'i' for you more dynamic i am very interested to hear
How do I "piss on your fire" ?

If you've never driven a 335i or ST ...

"Dynamic" as in with a manual gearbox, lighter front end and the high-revving engine it is a more punchy, involving power delivery than my D.

Power and magazine figures alone are no indicator about how a car drives on the road. I rate the Focus (even in 1.8 form) as a cracking, composed drive.

How do you find the ST, Peter ? Apart from thirsty

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How do I "piss on your fire" ?

If you've never driven a 335i or ST ...

"Dynamic" as in with a manual gearbox, lighter front end and the high-revving engine it is a more punchy, involving power delivery than my D.

Power and magazine figures alone are no indicator about how a car drives on the road. I rate the Focus (even in 1.8 form) as a cracking, composed drive.

How do you find the ST, Peter ? Apart from thirsty

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i know that the 335d is miles quicker than a focus ST

at ford fair last year the quickest ones were doing 0-62 in 7 secs, and many doing so in 8
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and in most posts i make you find something negative to say about it..
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I have to say that I too rate the Focus ST. It may not be anywhere near BMW territory in terms of build or status but it certainly is a quality car. The drive is fantastic, along with the engine note. I am not sure that many people, outside car enthusiasts, know that it is a 5 cylinder 225 bhp car capable of a decent turn of speed. I will admit that I was an admirer of the car and given that I was eligible for a huge discount I gave it a go! I will not hold onto it for that long, and I hope that I will not lose any money on it! I paid £15.720 for a car that had a list price of £20355, roughly a 25% discount. They are, up until now, holding their value well for a Ford, and there is still a few months wait for factory orders. I will be blasting up and down the M6/M74 for a few months whilst I wait for the 335i!

I will say that the power delivery is not over a wide rev range, therefore whilst it is quick it doesnt feel as quick as my brief test drive in the 335i.
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the 335i will do a 5.0 to 62 mph easy, forget bmw factory figures there very conservative to sya the least, like i said the st is a nice car, but loads at ford fair last year and not one did a 0 -62 run quicker than 7 seconds
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the 335i will do a 5.0 to 62 mph easy, forget bmw factory figures there very conservative to sya the least, like i said the st is a nice car, but loads at ford fair last year and not one did a 0 -62 run quicker than 7 seconds
Not arguing with that at all. There is absolutely no contest between the two cars and let it be said that I didnt suggest there ever was!

The 335i is the car for me, no doubt.
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yes mate, whatever i say dave dosent see to agree?? happened a few times now

the focus is a nice car, i wa sint he ford scene for a long time, i even thought about buying a st if my auntie could get me a discount but she couldnt
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yes mate, whatever i say dave dosent see to agree?? happened a few times now
Carl, point out for me where I said anything above about the acceleration and speed of the ST ... I can't see any comments by me on that - only that I like the ST and really rate the ST and the way it DRIVES (which Peter echoed, and anyone who has driven one can confirm). Have you driven an ST ?

I said it above and I'll say it again. There is more to how a car drives than a game of top trumps using 3 or 4 numbers.

Point out any of these other issues I don't agree with you ... those that have happened a few times now. You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder about something.

It is hardly fair using Peter's thread for this petty bickering.

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Agree, I wouldnt mind some feedback on my original post!
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I can pretty much guess you've never driven an ST, either ?

I like them.

I think a 335i manual is more "dynamic" than a 335D.

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I have to say that I haven driven an ST and hated every minute, poor build quality, chav looks and heavy front ended, oh and poor on fuel. I then drove a GTI, aterwards and that was leaps and bounds ahead, considering they are in the same class. From the GTI (after it was stolen) I went the the R32 (only step really to go), loved every minute, bar the fuel economy, mind you it is a 3 litre!! D ue to a larger family I had to find something bigger and test drove both the 335D and 335i for a week each, and went for the D for the following reasons;

The i falls into the higher tax band, The D has amazing tuning abilities whilst retaining some sort of fuel economy, and in real life driving situations the D will always be the faster car. I also think that in a couple of years time when I come to sell a 335D E91 will be worth more.

Sorry to go off topic

Oh and stop taking things so personally DXB, he was just making a comment and you havent actually driven an ST, even though I think they are poor

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Also keen to hear from other 335i owners, are they many on here???
Hi there,

I've had my E92 335i for a week and a bit now and I'm really enjoying the drive.
I've had a week of commuting 60 miles each way and consistently see 34-35mpg on those trips when I have maintained a steady 70mph. Of course, play a bit, and that fuel consumption suffers dramatically.

I haven't tried it out properly against any other vehicle on the road as opportunity hasn't presented itself in a safe environment apart from a very brief acceleration bout with an E90 335d. We were both joining the M4 and I didn't want to be undertaken from the on-ramp so when the d launched itself from around 40mph I dropped a gear and floored it. I joined the motorway more than a length ahead. Maybe he backed off, dunno. I always thought the d had the advantage in that situation from my 330cd experience over its i stablemate but either way, the 335i is very quick and offers a truly dynamic and rewarding drive.

I remapped my E46 330cd so no doubt I'll end up doing the same with the 335i - I'll get used to what it has now though and also see what DMS come up with as I prefer their maps due to their warranty back up.

I did find initially that I could not get comfortable in the sports seats...I had the M-sport seats in my 330cd and was instantly comfortable - indeed, I recall a 1000 mile round trip that did not leave me strained in any way. So I was somewhat worried by my discomfort in my 335i. Happily, I have managed to find a setting that suits me perfectly and it's safely memorized. Despite the 19" wheels and runflats, I find the car copes better over uneven roads than my 330cd did.

Having bought a 6mth old ex-demo/Management car, I have an SE and, since it has sports seats and suspension anyway was not too fussed about the rest of the M-sport attributes apart from the steering wheel. But I've solved this by getting one of the M3 wheels on eBay.

All in all, I rate the 335i very highly and have no buyers remorse whatsoever -every day is a joy...and I love the sound the engine makes!
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1stKnight, thanks for that. Confirms what I thought when i drove it but its good to hear it from owners. Mind if I ask what you paid? I am really hoping for a 9-10% discount from my dealer. He had an ex management car on the 'system', 06(56 I think - although there are some 06 cars out there) Montego Blue, Beige, Pro Nav, B/T etc, he said it could be mine for £31,500 (6K saving from list). Made me think but the finance payments were little different from new because of the residual value.
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Hi Peter and welcome pal , it is quite funny on here, as you may of noticed already Dave always disagrees with Carl but it makes a funny thread Carl drives his Dads car you see and Dave drives his own (we're all jealous really) but don't mention it to dxb

Anyway 335i eh,Nice choice my friend even if you don't like torque the i is ok re Sport spec - you have made the right choice over the SE,the looks are special. Focus St nice motor,but now as i am sure you are aware is where the fun starts
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1stKnight, thanks for that. Confirms what I thought when i drove it but its good to hear it from owners. Mind if I ask what you paid? I am really hoping for a 9-10% discount from my dealer. He had an ex management car on the 'system', 06(56 I think - although there are some 06 cars out there) Montego Blue, Beige, Pro Nav, B/T etc, he said it could be mine for 31,500 (6K saving from list). Made me think but the finance payments were little different from new because of the residual value.
Mine was 39k list and I paid 33k. It had 3k miles on it, Dec 06 first reg so a 56. The car has no marks so I decided to go for it over new and given my commute I add miles so quickly that I don't feel I made a mistake. Although, happily, my commute is halved as of next weekend as I'm moving house.

There are a fair number available for that price and less with negotiation, I'm sure. Negotiating is not my forte so I probably didn't get the best price but, hey, I'm happy with my purchase.
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Mine was 39k list and I paid 33k. It had 3k miles on it, Dec 06 first reg so a 56. The car has no marks so I decided to go for it over new and given my commute I add miles so quickly that I don't feel I made a mistake. Although, happily, my commute is halved as of next weekend as I'm moving house.

There are a fair number available for that price and less with negotiation, I'm sure. Negotiating is not my forte so I probably didn't get the best price but, hey, I'm happy with my purchase.
Most of my driving will be motorway so am hoping that 30+ mpg will be easily achievable. No doubt the odd moment of 'twitchy right foot' will reduce that but so long as I don't stay in sub 30/25 mpg territory for too long! Its not that I couldnt afford the jungle juice, more that I dont want to keep lining Gordon Brown's very deep pockets too much!

Having seen some pictures on this site of the M Sport, I think that is the way to go, there will be very few available as management cars, I would think, certainly in the next six months. Have also seen the pictures of the 225 19" Sport alloys, they are absolutely awesome and may have to be sneaked onto the options list - lets hope Mrs G doesnt see the paperwork!
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