[///NWIE89]

so i need to find a good protein to take before bed thats lactose free, it took me forever to find just a regular post workout protein to take that i could handle. then i came across some beef based product which works great.

now alot of ones of tried before said they were lactose free but something was in them that had wretching the whole day! muscle milk came out with lactose free and BSN had one but they both didnt work well..

any thoughts or recommendations you guys might have for me? thanks in advance!

[kennyfrc]

Cytosport Complete Casien or ON Casien

[import36]

Originally Posted by kennyfrc

Cytosport Complete Casien or ON Casien

+1 on the Optimum Nutrition Casein. i'm LI too and i didn't experience any issues with the ON.

[mshanno1]

Just get a whey product. You wont be able to tell a difference

[san~man]

Originally Posted by mshanno1

Just get a whey product. You wont be able to tell a difference

You may not, but your body will.

[mshanno1]

Originally Posted by san~man

You may not, but your body will.

Show me ONE study that has shown a difference between someone taking whey protein and casein protein. Its all marketing

[san~man]

Marketing, as far as what?

[san~man]

If you're referring to scientific results, here's a study from the JSSM

"Protein, which is best?" http://www.jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf

Pay particular attention to "table 1," which shows the difference in PER, BV, and net utilization.

Under conclusion, you'll see the article says:
"In athletes supplementing their diets with additional protein, casein has been shown to provide the greatest benefit for increases in protein synthesis for a prolonged duration. However, whey protein has a greater initial benefit for protein synthesis. These differences are related to their rates of absorption. It
is likely a combination of the two could be beneficial, or smaller but more frequent ingestion of whey protein could prove to be of more value. "

Key points from the article, in case you don't want to read the entire thing (I didn't):

KEY POINTS
• Higher protein needs are seen in athletic populations.
• Animal proteins is an important source of protein, however potential health concerns do exist from a diet of protein consumed from
primarily animal sources.
• With a proper combination of sources, vegetable proteins may provide similar benefits as protein from animal sources.
• Casein protein supplementation may provide the greatest benefit for increases in protein synthesis for a prolonged duration

Proof enough, from a reputable source (mind you), for you?

[TimZ]

I had ON Casein and it did its job well for me. I need a new jug of it

[Quick6EF]

What are you trying to accomplish OP? You know meal timing is irrelevant, right?

[smokinHawk]

Originally Posted by Quick6EF

What are you trying to accomplish OP? You know meal timing is irrelevant, right?

I will slightly disagree, it is important to have the right nutrients at the right time, spread out through out the day.
the whole right after a workout is about pointless though as everyone does not consider it takes almost an hour for your body to process the food. it is better to have the nutrients available when needed though out your day.
shoving the nutrients together all at one time isnt good either as it can lead to waste, and store them, but they will end up being used later in the day if no more is consumed so the net gain is static.
for steady change spreading the nutrients out in the day works the best.

[number335]

I've taken ON Casien in the past. Then I've heard of studies done on rats where casien protein caused liver damage. Granted, I don't know how much casien they gave to the rats, so anything taken excessively may be harmful. But there is other literature that states that casien is one of the worst forms of protein to take. If the only advantage that casien has (over whey) is that it digests slowly, then I rather not take it. As someone mentioned earlier, it probably is mostly marketing. Another supplement to spend your money on.

[Quick6EF]

Originally Posted by smokinHawk

I will slightly disagree, it is important to have the right nutrients at the right time, spread out through out the day.
the whole right after a workout is about pointless though as everyone does not consider it takes almost an hour for your body to process the food. it is better to have the nutrients available when needed though out your day.
shoving the nutrients together all at one time isnt good either as it can lead to waste, and store them, but they will end up being used later in the day if no more is consumed so the net gain is static.
for steady change spreading the nutrients out in the day works the best.

Perhaps you should inform yourself, as you're incorrect.

Some good reading: http://www.leangains.com/

What's most important is your daily intake; whether you consume it all at once, or in 15 stupid meals spread throughout.

[Conrad456]

Don't use any protein product or protein powder.
Eat natural protein foods to get rich amount of the real protein.
You should eat raw eggs, meat, yogurt, cheese, fish, green vegetables, and green beans for the natural protein.

[Handozizle]

I use ON's casein and it's pretty good. The only thing i hate is the mixability. I usually use 2 scoops with hot water before bed. It gives you about 48grams of slow release protein. Most of the time i mix whey, casein and soy into one shake. Kinda get everything all at once i guess

EDIT: now that i think about it, it might not be lactose free

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Conrad456

Don't use any protein product or protein powder.
Eat natural protein foods to get rich amount of the real protein.
You should eat raw eggs, meat, yogurt, cheese, fish, green vegetables, and green beans for the natural protein.

I'm about 5'7 5'8 and 208lbs. I work out religiously and have been doing it for years but there is no way that I can get my daily dosage of protein from just eating natural foods. It's pretty hard to get over 200g of pretin a day from just natural foods, which is why I supplement the extra protein I need. I mean if all your protein comes from these shakes than you seriously need to rethink you diet but if you are just using 2-3 a day for supplementation purposes than you're g2g.