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      04-28-2014, 09:08 AM   #1
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Evolve Tune, Eco improvement?

Hi guys,

2009 335d, running a JBD for now.

Looking at Evole's tune - they're saying that there will be an improvement in cruising economy with their product.

Does anyone have any concrete evidence of this claim? I don't care for more power - no space to use it around here - the increased economy is very interesting to me....

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Hi guys,

2009 335d, running a JBD for now.

Looking at Evole's tune - they're saying that there will be an improvement in cruising economy with their product.

Does anyone have any concrete evidence of this claim? I don't care for more power - no space to use it around here - the increased economy is very interesting to me....

Thanks
contact them directly, there are only a handful of guys running the tune here. You will get more info from either posting in the UK section or asking them directly as they work on more 335Ds out there
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I will eventually contact them, but I'm not interested in them trying to sell me their product - was hoping for someone who's actually been putting miles on a 335d with that tune.

If it's not as advertised, i'd rather find out prior to spending the $500 - this is where having a diesel sub-fourm will help
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I will eventually contact them, but I'm not interested in them trying to sell me their product - was hoping for someone who's actually been putting miles on a 335d with that tune.

If it's not as advertised, i'd rather find out prior to spending the $500 - this is where having a diesel sub-fourm will help
andre from chicago should be able to help you. Look up VS Motorsports and 335d tune, he was one of the first ones to get it done. So ask him
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Hi guys,

2009 335d, running a JBD for now.

Looking at Evole's tune - they're saying that there will be an improvement in cruising economy with their product.

Does anyone have any concrete evidence of this claim? I don't care for more power - no space to use it around here - the increased economy is very interesting to me....

Thanks
I've had stock, JBD, Evolve, Evolve + and now Ecotune +. I log every fillup with descriptions of driving conditions, wheel/tire configs, etc. In order of mpg's my experience with this car for steady stead highway driving was: stock, JBD, Evolve, Ecotune (with some missing OEM pieces).

Evolve was very professional and I had a great experience with them and was happy with their product. They just were not willing to go where I wanted to go...
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I've had stock, JBD, Evolve, Evolve + and now Ecotune +. I log every fillup with descriptions of driving conditions, wheel/tire configs, etc. In order of mpg's my experience with this car for steady stead highway driving was: stock, JBD, Evolve, Ecotune (with some missing OEM pieces).

Evolve was very professional and I had a great experience with them and was happy with their product. They just were not willing to go where I wanted to go...
Care to give the pro/cons of each? Or post up a link if you've already done so? Greatly appreciated.
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I've had stock, JBD, Evolve, Evolve + and now Ecotune +. I log every fillup with descriptions of driving conditions, wheel/tire configs, etc. In order of mpg's my experience with this car for steady stead highway driving was: stock, JBD, Evolve, Ecotune (with some missing OEM pieces).

Evolve was very professional and I had a great experience with them and was happy with their product. They just were not willing to go where I wanted to go...
If I understood right, you are saying stock was the lowest mpg recorded and Ecotune has been the best recorded mpg on your testing? Question, I recall you're also running methanol which improves mpg, how do you keep your comparisons apples to apples?
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thanks for this input guys - keep it coming - still hoping someone with an economy based tune will come forward - either Evolve or Vac
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Mark M I can attest what TDi states. I have RENNtech flash, my cars overall mpg has improved specially HWY miles I can at 70 mph and A/C on get around 40-42 mpg's but its hard here on the island to keep that since so many cars around. Plus i have a LEAD foot. either you get JB, Ecotune, Evolve or Renntech or whomever car will perform better
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thanks for this input guys - keep it coming - still hoping someone with an economy based tune will come forward - either Evolve or Vac
Well, I have had a lot of work done at VAC, so I am aware of their module. I bought the JBD instead, because theirs was a bit more and I didn't know anyone else who had one. However, this is what I remember:

1. It can be set (by them if I recall) for either performance or economy.
2. Supposedly you don't get limp modes with their module.

I think their device is still on their website store under something like "diesel module"
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If I understood right, you are saying stock was the lowest mpg recorded and Ecotune has been the best recorded mpg on your testing? Question, I recall you're also running methanol which improves mpg, how do you keep your comparisons apples to apples?
The way my H2O/methanol injection works, it only comes on if 2 conditions are satisfied: >~20psi and >~3100 rpm, and then the injection amount increases with rpm up to 4500 rpm. The long road trips the mileage comparisons are based on do not enter that operating region where I use H2O/methanol. So it is apples to apples.

The main reason the Ecotune is measuring better than Evolve is no regens are occurring which drags overall fuel economy down ~1-2 mpgs on average from what I've observed (for example, long road trip where the mpg's are creeping up and up and then ... regen for ~10-11 mins of <30 mpg's drags the avg down from, say 41 to 38, and then the mpg's start trying to go back up after the regen finishes ...).
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TDi did you do the meth using the the Urea tank or was it someone else doing it this way
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TDi did you do the meth using the the Urea tank or was it someone else doing it this way
PR, I think that was Former Rotor's plan.
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PR, I think that was Former Rotor's plan.
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Been busy with the LSD and DPF stuff. Hoping to finish the last step sometime ...
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Been busy with the LSD and DPF stuff. Hoping to finish the last step sometime ...
So it was you and not Former Rotor. Memory is one of the several things that go first.
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Maybe i'll start deleting items at some point, but in the meantime, still looking to improve economy. City just KILLS a tank...
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Yatzee im in the same predicament here in PR. I get to go out and play on the weekends when I go to the rst of the island where I can get better mpgs
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Buying either tune to save money on fuel is a poor argument.

Check out Carmax's savings calculator. Let's say you get 5mpg improvement, which is quite generous, which bumps you up from say 32mpg to 37mpg, over 15k miles a year, that's only saving about $250 a year, BEST case scenario.

http://www.carmax.com/enus/mpg-savin...r/default.html

People get these tunes for the added power, not fuel economy. Power comes at a price, fuel.
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andre from chicago should be able to help you. Look up VS Motorsports and 335d tune, he was one of the first ones to get it done. So ask him
VS motorsports is out of business as of early 2013. I wanted to get an Evolve tune from them last summer, but wound up with a JBD after finding out they were gone.
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VS motorsports is out of business as of early 2013. I wanted to get an Evolve tune from them last summer, but wound up with a JBD after finding out they were gone.
The agency to handle Evolve tunes in the USA now seems to be the following:

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