E90Post
 


GT Haus
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio > Pros/Cons of owning a stick



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-09-2012, 04:25 PM   #89
Scootguy58
Scootguy58
 
Drives: E93
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Gateway to the Hamptons

Posts: 29
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vroom vroom View Post
I doubt i can find a car to learn on. Is that a problem?
You will learn how to drive in your NEW BMW in an hour. The engine and trans and clutch on most BMW's are very forgiving. I taught a gaggle of kids (boys and girls) in our 528i in the last decade.
The problem now is, they want to drive the new one!
For you...Buy it , learn how to drive it with the MT and enjoy it right after day one.
__________________
2011 E93 335i "Sport"
M/T, PPK and the usual gaggle of options, but for kicks, see below...
'04 BMW K1200GT (The Green one)
'07 VY Z06 (Just DOUBLE the Cabrio's crank HP)
BMWCCA
Scootguy58 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2012, 04:30 PM   #90
Eric335
Colonel
 
Eric335's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 E92 SG 335i 6MT
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: SW Florida

Posts: 2,493
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2007 BMW 335i  [3.83]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scootguy58 View Post
You will learn how to drive in your NEW BMW in an hour. The engine and trans and clutch on most BMW's are very forgiving. I taught a gaggle of kids (boys and girls) in our 528i in the last decade.
The problem now is, they want to drive the new one!
For you...Buy it , learn how to drive it with the MT and enjoy it right after day one.
This. Learn, and you will love it!
__________________
Eric335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2012, 04:30 PM   #91
crzylildude
Lieutenant Colonel
 
crzylildude's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 335i Coupe
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Posts: 1,561
iTrader: (16)

Garage List
I learned how to drive on an 18-wheeler sand & gravel truck .... It is a piece of cake!
__________________
INJEN DCI / AA STRUT BRACE / KW V3 / HRE 797RS - NITTO INVO / OEM M3 HOOD / M-SPORT REAR BUMPER / MACHT SCHNELL DP / ER FMIC / TurboSmart BOV

FUTURE MODS: JUICE BOX 4 - G5 / iPE Innotech Valvetronic Exhaust / AWRON DGA GAUGE / STOPTECH BIG BRAKE KIT
crzylildude is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2012, 08:10 PM   #92
captainaudio
World's Foremost Authority
 
Drives: 335i E93 750Li
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Upper East Side Manhattan - Boca Raton Florida

Posts: 3,216
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scootguy58
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vroom vroom View Post
I doubt i can find a car to learn on. Is that a problem?
You will learn how to drive in your NEW BMW in an hour. The engine and trans and clutch on most BMW's are very forgiving. I taught a gaggle of kids (boys and girls) in our 528i in the last decade.
The problem now is, they want to drive the new one!
For you...Buy it , learn how to drive it with the MT and enjoy it right after day one.
+1

If you like the car buy it!

Driving a stick shift ain't rocket science.
__________________

Drivers Club at Lime Rock - International Motorsports Research Center
Madison Avenue Sports Car Driving and Chowder Society (Only a Vice President)
Polish Racing Drivers of America (PRDA)
The Glen Club - Sports Car Club of America
captainaudio is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 02:19 AM   #93
princefemi
Private First Class
 
Drives: Jet Black '08 E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Pensacola, FL

Posts: 150
iTrader: (0)

My first car was a manual 5.0 Ford mustang and I bought it before I had a license to drive. I learned how to drive on this car. Many of my friend told me that the car was too much car to use to learn and that the car being a manual made the situation worse. Well, I learned in no time and drove the car for six years, put about 100k on the car, and never had to change the clutch or have any issues with the transmission. My E90 is a manual, and all of the cars I have owned except for 1 have been manual transmission. The one car I bought in auto, a Merc c230, I used for only 6 months before I couldn't take it any more and traded it for a manual 350z. I say go for it, you will love it, and forever always want to drive a manual over an auto.
__________________
08 335i Jet Black Terra/Light Poplar ZSP.
princefemi is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 02:24 AM   #94
JDane07
Major
 
JDane07's Avatar
 
Drives: '06 E90 330i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Napa, CA

Posts: 1,403
iTrader: (2)

Reading threads like these always makes me sad because I have an auto...
and my steptronic is broken right now so I can't even pretend to have a manual ;(
__________________
OEM Mtech | AG M580 | Performance Exhaust | AA Tune | ST Coilovers | MMW Catless Headers | Euro BavX LS3 | Blacklines | CF diffuser, Performance Spoiler, Front splitters | Other goodies here and there...
Wish List: ESS SUPERCHARGER FTW
Recent Thread: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...NE07+vineyards
JDane07 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 03:54 AM   #95
Cozy
Major
 
Cozy's Avatar
 
Drives: E82 135i
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Surrey, England

Posts: 1,489
iTrader: (0)

Being from the UK where 'stick' is king, I had to LOL at this thread.

How come the U.S got so comfortable with auto-trans? The legendary muscle cars were all MT right? Do you even have a choice of transmission when learning to drive with a driving school? Strange how two of the most western countries went in opposite directions here, maybe it's because you have such a vast landscape and AT is just easier for cruising around/lazy .
Cozy is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 04:14 AM   #96
IancoleTX
Dillo boxers
 
IancoleTX's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: USA

Posts: 3,041
iTrader: (13)

IMO A/T is the worst thing to happen to driving. People don't have to pay attention to what they're doing and can just float their 5000lb chunks of steel down the road while zoning out. Lets drivers in the bottom 10% of skill get by just well enough to screw up the roads for the rest of us. Bleh.
__________________
2011 135i 6MT - Alpine White / Savannah Beige
IancoleTX is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 04:49 AM   #97
Dozhdbog
Major
 
Dozhdbog's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 335i Sedan
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Hollywood

Posts: 1,426
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by IancoleTX View Post
IMO A/T is the worst thing to happen to driving. People don't have to pay attention to what they're doing and can just float their 5000lb chunks of steel down the road while zoning out. Lets drivers in the bottom 10% of skill get by just well enough to screw up the roads for the rest of us. Bleh.

If that's what happens to you when you drive an automatic, you should probably have your license revoked.
__________________
2011 E90 / Premium Package / Stage 2 PPK / Performance Suspension
Dozhdbog is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 04:51 AM   #98
Dozhdbog
Major
 
Dozhdbog's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 335i Sedan
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Hollywood

Posts: 1,426
iTrader: (0)

If certain people really require a manual to ensure they pay attention whilst driving, then they shouldn't ever be allowed to drive.
__________________
2011 E90 / Premium Package / Stage 2 PPK / Performance Suspension
Dozhdbog is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 07:34 AM   #99
captainaudio
World's Foremost Authority
 
Drives: 335i E93 750Li
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Upper East Side Manhattan - Boca Raton Florida

Posts: 3,216
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dozhdbog View Post
If certain people really require a manual to ensure they pay attention whilst driving, then they shouldn't ever be allowed to drive.
+1

What do these drivers who need a manual transmission to concentrate do when they get on a road like Alligtor Alley (Route 75) in South Florida. Mile after mile of perflectly straight, perfectly flat highway when you are cruising in top gear for hours?

The level of insistance on the superiority of manual transmissions tends to be inversely proportional to the level of skill at driving one.

CA
__________________

Drivers Club at Lime Rock - International Motorsports Research Center
Madison Avenue Sports Car Driving and Chowder Society (Only a Vice President)
Polish Racing Drivers of America (PRDA)
The Glen Club - Sports Car Club of America
captainaudio is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 08:15 AM   #100
driverman
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2008 E90 328i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: El Dorado Hills, CA

Posts: 589
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamJay View Post
Being from the UK where 'stick' is king, I had to LOL at this thread.

How come the U.S got so comfortable with auto-trans? The legendary muscle cars were all MT right? Do you even have a choice of transmission when learning to drive with a driving school? Strange how two of the most western countries went in opposite directions here, maybe it's because you have such a vast landscape and AT is just easier for cruising around/lazy .
I think the higher price of gas and higher taxes on car purchases in Europe explain the difference, going back many years. People bought smaller cars with smaller engines, less power and MT's to save lots of money. MT's were more efficient at using the limited power, minimized gas consumption and were cheaper.

I wonder if the percentage of AT's in new car purchases in Europe has increased since AT's have gotten so good. Does anyone know?
driverman is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 09:18 AM   #101
Cozy
Major
 
Cozy's Avatar
 
Drives: E82 135i
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Surrey, England

Posts: 1,489
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by driverman View Post
I think the higher price of gas and higher taxes on car purchases in Europe explain the difference, going back many years. People bought smaller cars with smaller engines, less power and MT's to save lots of money. MT's were more efficient at using the limited power, minimized gas consumption and were cheaper.

I wonder if the percentage of AT's in new car purchases in Europe has increased since AT's have gotten so good. Does anyone know?
AT is definitely more popular now, well I say more popular but it's more the case that a lot of the average family cars now offer an AT option when they didn't before. Merc's & BMW's have always been favoured over here in AT, at least for the business men, older generations and those interested in the larger offerings/comfort such as E-Class, 5-Series and upwards. Also the non-performance focussed 3-Series and the like were most common in AT with MT reserved for anyone interested in a little performance and the older ///M's generally. DCT is now really popular here, you'll find most of the sporty VAG brands are now equipped with DCT which is more popular to order than MT I believe, mostly because of the fast gear changes and launches I but I don't think AT will ever take over here, DCT is definitely nice middle ground though.

We have two driving tests, one for MT & one for AT and it's assumed that you'll be driving MT unless you specifically request otherwise. If you pass the MT test then your license allows you to drive both tranmissions but anyone who learnt/passed in AT is not permitted to drive MT on their license. It's rare that anyone will choose the AT method at all, only those petrified of motoring, those who are elderly or with a disability will do it and then get cursed by the rest of us for travelling at 20mph in all zones. I think the opinion that "only old people" buy automatic puts a lot of people off but sadly it's been true for many many years.
Cozy is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 09:29 AM   #102
Neph
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2010 328i E92, Sport, 6MT
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: ///Milky way

Posts: 189
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nr!qUe View Post

Please get the manual because i think of it like this: I would rather drive a Jetta with a 5 speed manual than an automatic porsche (my two cents in terms of driving experience)

good luck
+1

a manual lets you get soooo much more out of your car. and if BMW is the ultimate driving machine and built to be enjoyed, why spoil it with an AT?

its' fine for a buick, but if you enjoy driving (obviously as you're on this forum), then get the MT so long as you don't live in a reaalllly hilly area.
Neph is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 12:25 PM   #103
MM33
Private
 
Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: San Francisco

Posts: 50
iTrader: (0)

Dual Clutch transmissions are FAR nicer than Manuals....and Manuals are far nicer than Automatics. As simple as that...there's a reason why race cars and supercars have dual clutch transmissions; it's not only for speed...it's also for feel, control, and enjoyment.

BMW, Audi, and Porsche have really great dual clutch gearboxes; as does the Mitsubishi Evo and Nissan GT-R....If you haven't driven a car with a dual clutch gearbox; you're missing out. I would take one instantly over a regular manual and will do so on my next car.
MM33 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 02:55 PM   #104
captainaudio
World's Foremost Authority
 
Drives: 335i E93 750Li
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Upper East Side Manhattan - Boca Raton Florida

Posts: 3,216
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MM33
Dual Clutch transmissions are FAR nicer than Manuals....and Manuals are far nicer than Automatics. As simple as that...there's a reason why race cars and supercars have dual clutch transmissions; it's not only for speed...it's also for feel, control, and enjoyment.

BMW, Audi, and Porsche have really great dual clutch gearboxes; as does the Mitsubishi Evo and Nissan GT-R....If you haven't driven a car with a dual clutch gearbox; you're missing out. I would take one instantly over a regular manual and will do so on my next car.
A DCT is an automatic transmission. It may use different technology to shift the gears than a "conventional" planetary gear AT but in my opinion any transmission with no third pedal that can shift on its own is an AT.
Last fall I dove a Jaguar XKR-S with a ZF automatic back to back with a 335is. The transmissions felt very similar and in many ways I liked the Jaguar transmission better. A friend of mine who is a Porsche Club Racer also did the comparison and was not aware that they were two different kinds of transmissions, to him they were both Paddle Shifted automatics.

CA
__________________

Drivers Club at Lime Rock - International Motorsports Research Center
Madison Avenue Sports Car Driving and Chowder Society (Only a Vice President)
Polish Racing Drivers of America (PRDA)
The Glen Club - Sports Car Club of America

Last edited by captainaudio; 02-10-2012 at 05:25 PM.
captainaudio is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 03:10 PM   #105
DoD74
Private First Class
 
DoD74's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 BMW 335i Coupe
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dallas

Posts: 136
iTrader: (0)

I drove a manual for about 17 years and loved it. I got the M package with paddle shifts this time because I've recently had knee surgery and wanted to go easy on my leg, but i still miss it. Even with occasional traffic frustrations I think you'll love the experience and control you get from a manual.
__________________
BMW History:
2000 328iS|2002 E39 530i|2005 E60 530i|2007 328i Coupe|2009 335i Coupe|2012 335i Coupe
DoD74 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 03:16 PM   #106
gunnerxq
Captain
 
gunnerxq's Avatar
 
Drives: e90 "325i"
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Staten Island and Albany

Posts: 967
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MM33 View Post
Dual Clutch transmissions are FAR nicer than Manuals....and Manuals are far nicer than Automatics. As simple as that...there's a reason why race cars and supercars have dual clutch transmissions; it's not only for speed...it's also for feel, control, and enjoyment.

BMW, Audi, and Porsche have really great dual clutch gearboxes; as does the Mitsubishi Evo and Nissan GT-R....If you haven't driven a car with a dual clutch gearbox; you're missing out. I would take one instantly over a regular manual and will do so on my next car.
Your funny thought you just said DCT are nicer then manuals.
__________________
Bilstein shocks, eibach pro-kit springs, Remus exhaust, stage 3 intake manifold,Stage 2 AA tune, BMW Short shift kit.
gunnerxq is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 03:17 PM   #107
gunnerxq
Captain
 
gunnerxq's Avatar
 
Drives: e90 "325i"
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Staten Island and Albany

Posts: 967
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenorange View Post
This is all quite new to me and this post actually opened my eyes.Thanks for sharing with us your wisdom.
What that something other then automatics existed? seriously I hope that's not it.
__________________
Bilstein shocks, eibach pro-kit springs, Remus exhaust, stage 3 intake manifold,Stage 2 AA tune, BMW Short shift kit.
gunnerxq is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 03:20 PM   #108
335iaz
Cause their greeaaaaat!!!!
 
Drives: SBM E90 335i
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Peoria, AZ

Posts: 715
iTrader: (14)

Send a message via AIM to 335iaz
If you get a stick and your gf/wife doesn't know how to drive stick, you never have to worry about them taking your car lol
__________________
335iaz is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 03:29 PM   #109
gunnerxq
Captain
 
gunnerxq's Avatar
 
Drives: e90 "325i"
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Staten Island and Albany

Posts: 967
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 335iaz View Post
If you get a stick and your gf/wife doesn't know how to drive stick, you never have to worry about them taking your car lol
yea its especially good for divorces.
__________________
Bilstein shocks, eibach pro-kit springs, Remus exhaust, stage 3 intake manifold,Stage 2 AA tune, BMW Short shift kit.
gunnerxq is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2012, 05:13 PM   #110
e90sexion
E 9 0 S E X I O N
 
e90sexion's Avatar
 
Drives: M3, Z4MC
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver/WA

Posts: 6,247
iTrader: (16)

driving manual takes 1 hour.
pros and cons will be only you can drive it in the family, well your dad might as well if you live with your parents
e90sexion is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:55 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST