500whp/505lb-ft Vishnu Procede/PWM Meth/Turbo Dynamics Turbos - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

shiv@vishnu · 02-08-2012, 07:27 PM

Hi guys,
Just got some dyno results sent from our friend Brady at Dyno Doc in Quebec (www.dynodoc.ca). Thought some may find it interesting. The car is a 6MT 335 running FBO with Turbo Dynamics Stage 2 upgraded turbos. It is also running Procede Rev3 with current 11-25 Aggressive maps (6MT Upgraded turbo map) on pump gas with our PWM Meth kit. On this Dynpack hub dyno, stock cars make ~265whp which is slightly less than on most typical Dynojets. Shown are two consecutive runs just before calling it quits. Running the default setting of 65% boost/0% IC (on meth), the car put down ~480whp. Brady then gradually bumped the boost setting while monitoring ignition advance logs at each step. At 90% boost, it made just over 500whp. At peak of 18.5-19psi@5700rpm (see boost log below). AFR is solid as well. The car is making great power (probably over 510whp on dynojet) and I think everyone is happy where it is at the moment. If anyone in Quebec is looking for a good tuner, definitely visit Brady at Dynodoc

Boost and AFR:

WHP and TQ:

SGMe90 · 02-08-2012, 07:29 PM

Holy shit!!! Damn Shiv, that is badass

sA x sKy · 02-08-2012, 07:30 PM

HOLY SHIT

91Octane · 02-08-2012, 07:34 PM

HoLY SHIT! (too)...

Great power but $6,200 for a pair of stage 1 turbo???

BlueLion · 02-08-2012, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 91Octane

HoLY SHIT! (too)...

Great power but $6,200 for a pair of stage 1 turbo???

^ is that Canadian or US $$$'s

jpsimon · 02-08-2012, 07:52 PM

They're the same kind of thing as RB's, just a lot more expensive - that's why not many people have them. Stage 1 are like the EPL/Helix/etc turbos, Stage 2 are like RB/ASR.

scottp999 · 02-08-2012, 07:56 PM

Is this the PWM with 4 nozzles or 2? Wow. Serious numbers for pump + meth. Looks great.

woodga16 · 02-08-2012, 08:10 PM

If comparable to RB's mechanically, what differences are there to achieve these numbers? Just tuning and methanol setup?

Longboarder · 02-08-2012, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueLion

^ is that Canadian or US $$$'s

USD/Canadian dollar were pegged very close to 1:1 today.

shiv@vishnu · 02-08-2012, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottp999

Is this the PWM with 4 nozzles or 2? Wow. Serious numbers for pump + meth. Looks great.

Yes, just the standard PWM meth kit with 2 nozzles. On top of the 94oct they get in Canada. A few months back it ran a PPS meth kit with very similar mapping and made 480whp on the same dyno:

These results are pretty standard for upgraded turbos. Running nearly 20psi on ASR turbos, my car put down 518whp on a dynojet on race gas+meth. And ananomouse's car put down nearly 480whp (same dynojet) on 91oct plus meth with a stock exhaust running just 17psi of boost.

I'd say that 520-530whp is the upper limit for RB/ASR/TD turbos. Making 500+whp is pretty easy assuming no other mechanical issues (miscoded injectors, bad plugs/coils/etc,.)

http://www.procedetuning.com/BMW/n54/dyno/dyno.html

Shiv

turb0mike · 02-08-2012, 08:26 PM

This is literally like perfect...

onesuperboi · 02-08-2012, 08:32 PM

I thought at first this thread would be about the single... reading title fail.

Great results though!

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-08-2012, 08:50 PM

That should be fun to drive!

Q4P · 02-08-2012, 08:59 PM

excellent results... that should be a monster, is there any way to fine tune or retune to lose 100 or so lb-ft of TQ? I think 500 HP and 400 LB-FT of TQ would be perfect... I only say this due to traction issues.

Thanks

Mr_PharmD · 02-08-2012, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q4P

excellent results... that should be a monster, is there any way to fine tune or retune to lose 100 or so lb-ft of TQ? I think 500 HP and 400 LB-FT of TQ would be perfect... I only say this due to traction issues.

Thanks

Only way is to slowly introduce the boost at a certain rpm and then make it come quicker at later rpm (like a boost controller) but then ull get lag and make less whp n tq by the time u hit red line. Remember HP doesnt win races.. tq wins races. Its all about the driver and how much of a lead foot he has to deal with traction.

Q4P · 02-08-2012, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_PharmD

Only way is to slowly introduce the boost at a curtain rpm and then make it come quicker at later rpm but then ull get lag and make less whp n tq by the time u hit red line. Remember HP doesnt win races.. tq wins races. Its all about the driver and how much of a lead foot he has.

That's enough for me to know to not take you seriously.

The gentlemen who said that was also wrong (enzo ferrari).

SGMe90 · 02-08-2012, 09:24 PM

I think horsepower has still a lot to do with winning races. If you are talking about light to light or 1/4 mile then yes but if you are talking about 80-150+, horsepower is where it's at.

SGMe90 · 02-08-2012, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q4P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_PharmD

Only way is to slowly introduce the boost at a curtain rpm and then make it come quicker at later rpm but then ull get lag and make less whp n tq by the time u hit red line. Remember HP doesnt win races.. tq wins races. Its all about the driver and how much of a lead foot he has.

That's enough for me to know to not take you seriously.

The gentlemen who said that was also wrong (enzo ferrari).

Damn!! Beat me to it, well played sir, well played

Mr_PharmD · 02-08-2012, 09:27 PM

I'm really shock at the afr n how solid it is at wot. How come all of the upgraded Turbo dynos I have seen show a lot of leaning out up top? And those that are OK have to tapper their boost from 2x down to 17psi but this one is constant around 18-19psi? What was different about this setup...was the dme altered to allow better afr control and this run was on pump gas and not race gas?

I would love to see this car on a dynojet since dynopak usually makes about 10-15%more than the usual dynojet.

onebadmofo · 02-08-2012, 09:28 PM

This makes me excited

My car has pretty much same mods except that I have RB's and an LSD. Should come out of the shop any day now.

Q4P · 02-08-2012, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myotherbaby

Damn!! Beat me to it, well played sir, well played

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-08-2012, 09:29 PM

Pretty sweet numbers!

Mike

02-08-2012, 07:27 PM	#1
shiv@vishnu BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: PROcede v5 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SF Bay, CA Posts: 16,692 iTrader: (0)	500whp/505lb-ft Vishnu Procede/PWM Meth/Turbo Dynamics Turbos Hi guys, Just got some dyno results sent from our friend Brady at Dyno Doc in Quebec (www.dynodoc.ca). Thought some may find it interesting. The car is a 6MT 335 running FBO with Turbo Dynamics Stage 2 upgraded turbos. It is also running Procede Rev3 with current 11-25 Aggressive maps (6MT Upgraded turbo map) on pump gas with our PWM Meth kit. On this Dynpack hub dyno, stock cars make ~265whp which is slightly less than on most typical Dynojets. Shown are two consecutive runs just before calling it quits. Running the default setting of 65% boost/0% IC (on meth), the car put down ~480whp. Brady then gradually bumped the boost setting while monitoring ignition advance logs at each step. At 90% boost, it made just over 500whp. At peak of 18.5-19psi@5700rpm (see boost log below). AFR is solid as well. The car is making great power (probably over 510whp on dynojet) and I think everyone is happy where it is at the moment. If anyone in Quebec is looking for a good tuner, definitely visit Brady at Dynodoc Boost and AFR: WHP and TQ:
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02-08-2012, 07:29 PM	#2
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02-08-2012, 07:52 PM	#6
jpsimon Team Zissou Drives: 335xi Coupe 6MT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CT Posts: 8,785 iTrader: (3)	They're the same kind of thing as RB's, just a lot more expensive - that's why not many people have them. Stage 1 are like the EPL/Helix/etc turbos, Stage 2 are like RB/ASR. __________________ PROcede+Cobb, thule flat-top 6 ski rack, VTT Stg.2 Turbos, PWM meth + ADVAN in-boot meth tank, AMS fmic, catless (ur+ae), SPEC clutch/flywheel, KW V3 coilovers, etc etc etc...

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91Octane Captain Drives: Fulltime Haters Pisser Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: You'll love me long time.., Posts: 811 iTrader: (0)	HoLY SHIT! (too)... Great power but $6,200 for a pair of stage 1 turbo???

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woodga16 First Lieutenant Drives: BMW 335i Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: US Posts: 381 iTrader: (0)	If comparable to RB's mechanically, what differences are there to achieve these numbers? Just tuning and methanol setup?

02-08-2012, 08:26 PM	#11
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Q4P Colonel Drives: Too Much Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: World Posts: 2,302 iTrader: (0)	excellent results... that should be a monster, is there any way to fine tune or retune to lose 100 or so lb-ft of TQ? I think 500 HP and 400 LB-FT of TQ would be perfect... I only say this due to traction issues. Thanks __________________ 2jZ + RB26 + 4G63 + LS9 + N54 =

02-08-2012, 09:24 PM	#17
SGMe90 tuningtechfs tuned Drives: 08 SGM e90 M3, 6mt Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: MD Posts: 298 iTrader: (4)	I think horsepower has still a lot to do with winning races. If you are talking about light to light or 1/4 mile then yes but if you are talking about 80-150+, horsepower is where it's at. __________________ Drives: 08 M3, third pedal baby previous: 07 e93 335i (jb4)

02-08-2012, 09:27 PM	#19
Mr_PharmD Captain Drives: 335i coupe Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fresno Posts: 987 iTrader: (18)	I'm really shock at the afr n how solid it is at wot. How come all of the upgraded Turbo dynos I have seen show a lot of leaning out up top? And those that are OK have to tapper their boost from 2x down to 17psi but this one is constant around 18-19psi? What was different about this setup...was the dme altered to allow better afr control and this run was on pump gas and not race gas? I would love to see this car on a dynojet since dynopak usually makes about 10-15%more than the usual dynojet.

02-08-2012, 09:28 PM	#20
onebadmofo BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: 2007 E92 335i Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 2,342 iTrader: (14)	This makes me excited My car has pretty much same mods except that I have RB's and an LSD. Should come out of the shop any day now. __________________ The OG of coding/programming in the tri-state area. More info here.

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