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      01-26-2012, 01:31 PM   #1
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Methanol flow problem...help wanted

I have been troubleshooting my PPS Methanol system to findout why I'm only showing 4 on my Meth Injection Flow. I'm thinking a clog somewhere, here is a list of my setup.

- Procede V5 2.5 stage 2 11-25 map (DCI, BOV, DP's, Exhaust)
- Snow Performance VC-25
- Snow Performance 150 psi pump
- Snow Perfromance Upgrade solenoid
- Labonte IFS-30(replaced with SP)
- Snow Performance M7 nozzle tapped to a ER Charge pipe with a tial BOV (nozzle is located just before the BOV, should be ok right?)
- A 1/4 joiner (plastic) to fix a kink on the line between the IFS-30 and Solenoid's IN port.

I set injection flow to 9-12 but no flash 100% meth and 3-4 injection flow, and no hazards but when I set to 4 my datalog shows 100% meth, 3-4 injection flow, and a decrease of 1-2 degrees on IAT. Hazard flash is not solid.

I do have a snow performance safe injection on order just in case its my labonte unit but just wondering if anybody can throw in any ideas on what else can I look at. Any thoughts and ideas are welcomed...Thanks in advance

EDIT: Datalog below is with a Snow Performance Failsafe installed...Injection flow now 10-11% but not steady

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Turn meth setup on with nozzle, spray into measuring cup for 30 seconds. If you see around 300 ml ur kit is fine

I would bet your flow sensor is toast. Everyone has had issues with that specific unit.
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Turn meth setup on with nozzle, spray into measuring cup for 30 seconds. If you see around 300 ml ur kit is fine

I would bet your flow sensor is toast. Everyone has had issues with that specific unit.
This was my next test, everything was running fine up until I upgraded to v5 2.5. From what I have searched here on the forum, the Labonte unit does not last long. I had this unit for almost 2 years now so maybe it finally quit on me. Does anybody had a nozzle clog up for sitting too long?

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Turn meth setup on with nozzle, spray into measuring cup for 30 seconds. If you see around 300 ml ur kit is fine

I would bet your flow sensor is toast. Everyone has had issues with that specific unit.
I did this test and I'm only seing about 214 ml for 30 secs. also does the pump suppose to pump continously? it sounded like it was pumping in continous burst. Any ideas? is my pump toast too?
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So I had a problem with my flow and checked everything and it actually ended up being the tube in the tank wasnt sucking the meth in right. The tube in tank has to be perfect and has to be a lot longer then I thought. Make sure yours is correct I think there is alot of talk about this on coolingmists diy. Also you can check by hooking up a air gun to the boost tube and just letting the meth flow into a bucket. Make sure there are not any air bubbles.
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I did this test and I'm only seing about 214 ml for 30 secs. also does the pump suppose to pump continously? it sounded like it was pumping in continous burst. Any ideas? is my pump toast too?
214ml for 30 seconds is good flow. YOur Labonte unit took a crap on you. You are using 100% meth and your lucky to even get 2 years out of flow sensor. Do yourself a favor and order the Aquamist HE505 and follow my DIY to get it working with Procede. Your pump is fine since you are showing 214ml, which equates to over 428ml/min which is what a SP nozzle would flow. They are flow rated much higher than what is stated of 375ml/min.
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214ml for 30 seconds is good flow. YOur Labonte unit took a crap on you. You are using 100% meth and your lucky to even get 2 years out of flow sensor. Do yourself a favor and order the Aquamist HE505 and follow my DIY to get it working with Procede. Your pump is fine since you are showing 214ml, which equates to over 428ml/min which is what a SP nozzle would flow. They are flow rated much higher than what is stated of 375ml/min.
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Since you already have the SP unit, just hook that up and you should be good to go. The SP unit is the next best thing to the Aquamist unit, but my SP unit failed on me intermittently when it got hot and also if you plan on going dual nozzles in the future, the flow sensor will not handle flow of more than one M10 nozzle. If you do the flow wheel will seize. I changed over to the Aquamist unit and it's been working flawlessly. Here is my thread just in case you are going with the Aquamist flow sensor

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=622947
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Since you already have the SP unit, just hook that up and you should be good to go. The SP unit is the next best thing to the Aquamist unit, but my SP unit failed on me intermittently when it got hot and also if you plan on going dual nozzles in the future, the flow sensor will not handle flow of more than one M10 nozzle. If you do the flow wheel will seize. I changed over to the Aquamist unit and it's been working flawlessly. Here is my thread just in case you are going with the Aquamist flow sensor

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=622947
My SP came in yesterday and I hooked it up and did a quick run (3rd to 4th) to see if I got everything installed correctly. Injection flow set at 11 but saw a 20 spike and levels off around 13-14...the log was pretty bad so I'll wait until I get a good pull and I'll post it.

Thank you for everyone's input...
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here are my logs with the SP installed, why is my flow not steady/constant flow and i'm getting around 10-11 %..do you guys think my pump is not holding pressure
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why are you using the parameter methanol injector % when your using a PPS kit, you should use methanol injection FLOW That might be the issue
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^ good eye

Also 2 years? Mine lasted 2 minutes!

Go with the aquamist flow sensor. It's the best one so far.
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why are you using the parameter methanol injector % when your using a PPS kit, you should use methanol injection FLOW That might be the issue
I am using methanol injection flow, it's on view 3 blue line...
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I am using methanol injection flow, it's on view 3 blue line...
Do you have the the methanol mode also set to "0" for pps instead of "1" for PWM in the Procede adjustable parameters?
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Do you have the the methanol mode also set to "0" for pps instead of "1" for PWM in the Procede adjustable parameters?
got it on PPS mode..did a quick 4th gear run with injection mode set @ 8 and was getting a steady hazard lights, 17 psi, and IAT drops. Maybe my max flow is only 10-11 and my pump is not putting out enough pressure.
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got it on PPS mode..did a quick 4th gear run with injection mode set @ 8 and was getting a steady hazard lights, 17 psi, and IAT drops. Maybe my max flow is only 10-11 and my pump is not putting out enough pressure.
The only way to tell is if you change the nozzle to a M10 and see if the flow reading increases with the larger nozzle...If not then there is a clog somewhere...My reading with the SP safeinjection showed flow with a M7 at 15-17 and with M10 it was showing 23-25...
Right now with my Aquamist unit its always showing flow at 21 with M10 and steady...There is no spikes of any kind..
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