E90Post
 


TireRack
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Professional Motorsport Racing Discussion (ALMS, DTM, Formula 1, Grand-AM, Le Mans, IRL, WRC, etc..) > 2012 Formula 1 Off-weeks Thread



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-12-2012, 02:57 PM   #309
Koop
Second Lieutenant
Koop's Avatar
10
Rep
212
Posts

 
Drives: E92 M3 & E34 M5
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: United States

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gary88 View Post
Who's next?

Ha!

Seriously, though. Maldonado is such a liability. He's been a dick this entire season, starting on the second lap in Australia when he ran Grosjean off the track and out of the race.

I'm glad Perez was so outspoken after the British GP...I was thinking the same thing. One of these days, Maldonado's going to be responsible for a terrible accident. Keep doing stupid shit like that and it's going to catch up with you (and whoever's driving next to you).
Appreciate 0
      07-12-2012, 03:06 PM   #310
BrokenVert
Resident Kerbalnaut
BrokenVert's Avatar
United_States
148
Rep
10,077
Posts

 
Drives: Topless 135/Electric Boogaloo
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Fahrvergnügen/NY

iTrader: (0)

That's quality
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-12-2012, 04:49 PM   #311
E90SLAM
Supreme Allied Commander
E90SLAM's Avatar
Hong Kong
876
Rep
61,168
Posts

 
Drives: A BBS WHORE
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: .

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2006 330i  [4.67]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koop View Post
Ha!

Seriously, though. Maldonado is such a liability. He's been a dick this entire season, starting on the second lap in Australia when he ran Grosjean off the track and out of the race.

I'm glad Perez was so outspoken after the British GP...I was thinking the same thing. One of these days, Maldonado's going to be responsible for a terrible accident. Keep doing stupid shit like that and it's going to catch up with you (and whoever's driving next to you).
Being aggressive is one thing, we've all seen drivers drove aggressively from time to time. But racing is racing, done. After the checkered flag, its done and dusted, up to the stewards if anyone suspects to violate any regulations.

But crashing his own car to someone else after the flag is just unprofessional.
Also even if someone unfortunately blocked you for a little while in Monaco, you don't use your car as a weapon and make your statement! The most was give him your finger and scream and yell. Period.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-12-2012, 05:29 PM   #312
007MCoupe
Major
007MCoupe's Avatar
19
Rep
1,464
Posts

 
Drives: on the wrong side of the road
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Livin' life

iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2007 Z4 M Coupe  [0.00]
I've been watching F1 for only 2 years now but I can recall far too many 'racing' incidents with maldonado. Just off the top of my head:

2011

Monaco - with Hamilton
Spa - with Hamilton (purposely)

2012

Melbourne - with Grosjean. Also in line for points LAST lap (6th i think) and wrecked himself.
Malaysia - wrecked himself again late in the race while in points position
Monaco - with Perez(purposely) (qual) then Karthekian (race)
Valencia - with Hamilton (we all know that one)
Silverstone - with Perez


Also, earlier in the (Silverstone) race, in the same turn he took out Perez, was a near-miss with Raikonnen. In the post race he said he gave plenty of room, but when I went back and watched he pushed Kimi off the track.
__________________

GoMiniGo///VB3///75mm wheel studs///Stubby///Aero bumper///GC front ARB///Pin pulled & Turner Camber Shims///Superflex FCAB///Powerflex RTAB///RE shock mounts///ECS 2-pc front rotors///Akebono pads///CSL headers///DKF catless Section 1///AKG Engine & Trans Mounts///SS brake lines///RPI scoop
Appreciate 0
      07-12-2012, 10:08 PM   #313
Nang Vann
Lieutenant Colonel
Nang Vann's Avatar
16
Rep
1,519
Posts

 
Drives: E46 M3, R35 GT-R
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Australia

iTrader: (0)

lol funny pic
__________________
Moving on up!
Appreciate 0
      07-13-2012, 02:12 AM   #314
MrClean335i
FBO+Methanol Injection
MrClean335i's Avatar
18
Rep
349
Posts

 
Drives: M Sport 335i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Miami

iTrader: (0)

I never understood why Toro Rosso doesn't use a more unique livery

This proposed one looks awesome IMO

Appreciate 0
      07-13-2012, 04:34 AM   #315
jonasaurus
Brigadier General
jonasaurus's Avatar
United Kingdom
34
Rep
3,147
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3 [Sold]
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 007MCoupe View Post
Something I was talking about with a coworker should be a fun discussion in here:

Would you rather see Alonso win his 3rd title, or Webber get his first?

Personally, I'd like to see Webber win one finally. he's such a good driver not to have one. He got close in 2010 and he's having a great season this year.

discuss
Without a doubt I'd want Webber to win his first (if for no better reason he is a nice guy that has worked hard and is doing well), I have come to appreciate Alonso a lot more though and he doesn't quite come off as arrogant as he used to. That being said though I think it is going to be a tough fight.

On a slight aside I don't want 'fingerboi' to win his 3rd consecutive WDC title, sounds ridiculous but his little celebration rants on the team radio (e.g. yabba dabba doo) and his trademark index finger move really annoy me! No idea why... he has however got good humour as demonstrated through interviews and various TV show appearances and appears to be a very level headed guy
__________________
///M3 | E90 LCI | Space Grey | Fox Red with CF Structure | 6MT | 260M | My build
Appreciate 0
      07-13-2012, 06:48 AM   #316
Echo M3
Major
No_Country
35
Rep
1,431
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonasaurus View Post
Without a doubt I'd want Webber to win his first (if for no better reason he is a nice guy that has worked hard and is doing well), I have come to appreciate Alonso a lot more though and he doesn't quite come off as arrogant as he used to. That being said though I think it is going to be a tough fight.

On a slight aside I don't want 'fingerboi' to win his 3rd consecutive WDC title, sounds ridiculous but his little celebration rants on the team radio (e.g. yabba dabba doo) and his trademark index finger move really annoy me! No idea why... he has however got good humour as demonstrated through interviews and various TV show appearances and appears to be a very level headed guy

Agreed. Alonso deserves another world title. He has pulled off some stunning drives in the past few years in some less than exceptional cars and teams.
Appreciate 0
      07-13-2012, 06:55 AM   #317
ptack
Brigadier General
ptack's Avatar
United_States
47
Rep
4,267
Posts

 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 135i  [3.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrClean335i View Post
I never understood why Toro Rosso doesn't use a more unique livery

This proposed one looks awesome IMO

I think the red, blue and white stripes look like an afterthought (white streaks like under the bull would be better), but otherwise it would be a really nice way to make their cars stand apart from Red Bull.
__________________
135i, SGM, Coral, Sport Package, Auto, Premium Hifi, USB/ipod, Apex EC-7s, PPK Stage II
Appreciate 0
      07-13-2012, 08:34 AM   #318
UltimateBMW
Brigadier General
UltimateBMW's Avatar
105
Rep
3,287
Posts

 
Drives: MP4
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: South

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ptack View Post
I think the red, blue and white stripes look like an afterthought (white streaks like under the bull would be better), but otherwise it would be a really nice way to make their cars stand apart from Red Bull.
Those stripes are lifted straight off the RBR livery.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2012, 11:03 AM   #319
gary88
Ikea enthusiast
gary88's Avatar
United_States
101
Rep
7,994
Posts

 
Drives: '07 E92 335i
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 E92 335i  [3.91]
The closest we've gotten to eye-level yet, I hope they start using something like this much more during race weekends.

__________________

garyhebdingjr.com | flickr | Instagram@garyhebding
Appreciate 0
      07-18-2012, 07:55 PM   #320
MrClean335i
FBO+Methanol Injection
MrClean335i's Avatar
18
Rep
349
Posts

 
Drives: M Sport 335i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Miami

iTrader: (0)

Sebastian Vettel?

Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 01:07 AM   #321
Elsabor67
aiming for 450.....
Elsabor67's Avatar
Germany
43
Rep
2,632
Posts

 
Drives: La Jeva ;-)
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Stuttgart, Ge :-)

iTrader: (25)

Garage List
2009 135i  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrClean335i View Post
Sebastian Vettel?

__________________

Quote from Ezeedee regarding car mods:
"you're only done when you sell the car "
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 07:26 PM   #322
gary88
Ikea enthusiast
gary88's Avatar
United_States
101
Rep
7,994
Posts

 
Drives: '07 E92 335i
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 E92 335i  [3.91]
I'm definitely buying this, up on the F1 store now.



__________________

garyhebdingjr.com | flickr | Instagram@garyhebding
Appreciate 0
      07-19-2012, 07:41 PM   #323
BrokenVert
Resident Kerbalnaut
BrokenVert's Avatar
United_States
148
Rep
10,077
Posts

 
Drives: Topless 135/Electric Boogaloo
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Fahrvergnügen/NY

iTrader: (0)

^ohh fuck yes!
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-23-2012, 09:59 AM   #324
gary88
Ikea enthusiast
gary88's Avatar
United_States
101
Rep
7,994
Posts

 
Drives: '07 E92 335i
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 E92 335i  [3.91]
Here's a graph showing how much each driver has contributed to WCC standings so far.

__________________

garyhebdingjr.com | flickr | Instagram@garyhebding
Appreciate 0
      07-23-2012, 10:52 AM   #325
jkoral
Captain
United_States
11
Rep
834
Posts

 
Drives: '09 135i MSport 6MT
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: MA

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gary88 View Post
The closest we've gotten to eye-level yet, I hope they start using something like this much more during race weekends.
You did see the quote from the driver, Lucas di Grassi: "I had to drive with only one eye open as the camera was blocking my other eye, quite tricky."

It's definitely much better than when Bruno Senna drove Spa one handed, holding up his cell phone in the cockpit:

Appreciate 0
      07-23-2012, 06:39 PM   #326
gary88
Ikea enthusiast
gary88's Avatar
United_States
101
Rep
7,994
Posts

 
Drives: '07 E92 335i
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago, IL

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 E92 335i  [3.91]


__________________

garyhebdingjr.com | flickr | Instagram@garyhebding
Appreciate 0
      07-23-2012, 09:32 PM   #327
Nang Vann
Lieutenant Colonel
Nang Vann's Avatar
16
Rep
1,519
Posts

 
Drives: E46 M3, R35 GT-R
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Australia

iTrader: (0)

lol good one!
__________________
Moving on up!
Appreciate 0
      07-24-2012, 05:56 AM   #328
MrClean335i
FBO+Methanol Injection
MrClean335i's Avatar
18
Rep
349
Posts

 
Drives: M Sport 335i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Miami

iTrader: (0)

F1 seeks rule change on controversial engine maps used by Red Bull

Quote:
The FIA's concern is that Red Bull and engine manufacturer Renault are using reduced torque settings for a given engine speed. These act as a form of traction control, limiting wheelspin out of corners.

Governing body the FIA found that Red Bull's engine was delivering less torque at full throttle in the mid-range of the engine's rev band in Germany than it had at the preceding British Grand Prix.

They said this was a breach of article 5.5.3 of the technical regulations, which states that the "maximum accelerator travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or greater than the maximum engine torque at the measured engine speed"

BBC



In other words, the rule implies that if the accelerator is pressed at 100% power delivery must be at 100%. What Red Bull is doing is giving it a 80%- 50% on the lower revs as the car exits the corner acting as traction control . Finally these cheaters are being dealt with. They should've had a 3 race ban IMO.
Appreciate 0
      07-24-2012, 06:04 AM   #329
MrClean335i
FBO+Methanol Injection
MrClean335i's Avatar
18
Rep
349
Posts

 
Drives: M Sport 335i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Miami

iTrader: (0)

BBC F1 technical analyston on how to fix the loop hole

Quote:
"To fix the loophole, the FIA could write a rule that said: "The accelerator pedal travel will be defined as 0% (minimum) to 100% (maximum) and at any position between these two end stops the percentage torque output of the engine base torque map for the measured engine speed must match the accelerator pedal percentage +/- 1%...

"This would mean the relationship between throttle pedal position and the torque delivery must be linear.

"And the rule could finish by saying: "… and the percentage of throttle body opening must match the accelerator pedal percentage +/- 10%.

"That would mean any change in torque characteristics could not be done by just retarding the ignition - a common method of employing engine braking - while leaving the throttle open to pump air through the engine and exhausts, which is a way of using the exhausts for aerodynamic effect.

"Allowing a margin of +/- 10% provides some leeway for the characteristics of different engines, as all have different operating requirements."


Gary Anderson
F1 technical analyst
.
Appreciate 0
      07-24-2012, 09:03 AM   #330
E90SLAM
Supreme Allied Commander
E90SLAM's Avatar
Hong Kong
876
Rep
61,168
Posts

 
Drives: A BBS WHORE
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: .

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2006 330i  [4.67]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrClean335i View Post
In other words, the rule implies that if the accelerator is pressed at 100% power delivery must be at 100%. What Red Bull is doing is giving it a 80%- 50% on the lower revs as the car exits the corner acting as traction control . Finally these cheaters are being dealt with. They should've had a 3 race ban IMO.
Thanks for the clarification. But I do not think race ban is justified.
Given the words of the regulation, Red Bull did not violate any of it; and FIA cannot pose penalties just because of the "spirit of the rule".

I think again RBR has been quite slick on these stuff, F1 has been exploring loop holes in the regulation to maximize the performance to their advantage. Sadly the words of the regulation only restricts the "maximum" torque setting. As long as the torque ratio between pedal and the power delivery is 100% when the driver floor the pedal. They satisfy the regulation. Any bit lower is not governed.

I'm sure this will be clarified and amended during this week's Technical Working Group meeting.

But one thing to point out, does anyone agree the FIA should amend the rule "mid-season"? Or they should rephrase the regulation after the 2012 season is over.

As long as the FIA doesn't make it like a confusing drama like last year's British Grand Prix. Changing regulation after P3 or Qualifying session on Saturday. Then revert the decision back on Sunday morning.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:59 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST