Are you guys somewhat worried about the "chip"? - Page 2 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

lawdude · 06-19-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjaneer

What options do you got on it?! That's probably what's driving up the price for everyone... all those irresistible options

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DrDomer · 06-19-2007, 02:47 PM

I would guess BMW has tested all ranges of tuning on this engine and has settled on the current specs because:

1) It's the fastest, most powerful non-M 3 series ever (by alot) at 300HP
2) It is remarkably fuel efficient at the current setup
3) It is probably at it's most reliable at this "tune"
4) It doesn't compete HP number-wise (on paper) with either the outgoing M3-series or incoming M3-series

Certainly they could've increased boost and all those fancy things you guys know about, but why? They probably wouldn't have increased sales that much, and they may have increased warranty claims in their eyes (who knows?). Of course, this is all guessing. All I care about is that the Procede under my hood makes my car fun. Giddy up!

enzo · 06-19-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdude

Those with concerns are always saying they don't want to do damage to a $50K car. Did eveybody's 335 cost $50K but mine ?

41,500 here. Got the sport package..Car comes with everything else!

So I guess I drive a 40K car and it does not bother me to run the Proceed!

judec · 06-19-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjaneer

What options do you got on it?! That's probably what's driving up the price for everyone... all those irresistible options

ehm, not only he has a convertible, but here in EU I dunno why (DAMIT!!!) but the same car is 50% more expensive compared to US... 33.900GBP, 44.650 EUR vs. 40.600 USD base price. so having a $80k bimmer here means a 335i coupe with AT and a few goodies, same applies to convertible

derek0480 · 06-19-2007, 02:59 PM

47K here...fully loaded....everything except the rear window shade (useless with tints)

scottp999 · 06-19-2007, 03:11 PM

I am not nervous running a piggyback, I was nervous installing it for the first time.

Ninjaneer · 06-19-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdude

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Ah, i c! And here's mine... hence the $$$ lol

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Nyulak · 06-19-2007, 03:39 PM

It still makes sense to detune the 335. THink about it, why offer a NA 3 liter that only produces 230 HP in the 328, when BMW already has a 260 HP version (272 in EU)? It's not like they have reliability issues with the extra HP, but it's a marketing concern. M vehicles are not to ever be turbocharged from the factory. As much optimizing that has gone into the NA engines, it is still possible to produce more power, but there is a difference for a company that warrants its work and offers other variants of its product versus the small amount of people that modify vehicles.

The concerns of modifying a 50k USD car is what makes it so easy for BMW to detune the 335 and sell a 4 liter V-8 powered M3. If nobody in their right mind would modify such an expensive vehicle as the 335i, then those with the right mind and financial means will be lining up to sign on the dotted line for an M3.

So, either wait for the warranty to expire or find a cheaper automobile that you won't mind modifying if modifying is your goal. The other option is to spend more dollars on a more expensive vehicle that has the performance targets you desire. I personally would like more power than stock, regardless of car, so if my financial situation gets better, I'll just modify a more expensive car.

Terry335 · 06-19-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdude

Those with concerns are always saying they don't want to do damage to a $50K car. Did eveybody's 335 cost $50K but mine ?

$39,500 here.

StylePoints · 06-19-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by IMJUSS2NASTY

Stylepoints, so you are saying you chipped your car but didnt go with Vishnu? That seems pretty lame considering their time, effort, research and development. All these piggybacks and chips will give you more power, reason why I went with Vishnu is because i trust their research and development. Hell if AA or TT made more power then the Procede, I'm pretty sure I still would have gone with the Procede. Look at their credibility and the time and effort they put into keeping us updated with whats really going on.
By the way, what company did you go with?

>>> I left my personal reason of not choosing the Vishnu off the table. It will start a flame war. I was here to have a peaceful discussion. If I told you what all the big shops here said about Vishnu tuning and the guy him self, you guys will start bashing me. But basically the truth is out there, its a matter of if you guys have been around long enough and in other forums to know Vishnu's rep. But thats a whole different topic that I do not want in this thread.

ducati955 · 06-19-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StylePoints

>>> I left my personal reason of not choosing the Vishnu off the table. It will start a flame war. I was here to have a peaceful discussion. If I told you what all the big shops here said about Vishnu tuning and the guy him self, you guys will start bashing me. But basically the truth is out there, its a matter of if you guys have been around long enough and in other forums to know Vishnu's rep. But thats a whole different topic that I do not want in this thread.

dam, now u have to share!!! i won't bash, or pm me!

Park2670 · 06-19-2007, 04:18 PM

Do NOT put on a turbo timer! If you

the thousands of posts on this board the car already has one built in. The water pump keeps running after you take out the key and walk away. Simple waste of money

lawdude · 06-19-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Park2670

Do NOT put on a turbo timer! If you

the thousands of posts on this board the car already has one built in. The water pump keeps running after you take out the key and walk away. Simple waste of money

You have a water-cooled turbocharger?

shiv@vishnu · 06-19-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by StylePoints

>>> I left my personal reason of not choosing the Vishnu off the table. It will start a flame war. I was here to have a peaceful discussion. If I told you what all the big shops here said about Vishnu tuning and the guy him self, you guys will start bashing me. But basically the truth is out there, its a matter of if you guys have been around long enough and in other forums to know Vishnu's rep. But thats a whole different topic that I do not want in this thread.

I'd love to hear more about this "truth that is out there." There are folks on this forum that have been around for a long time, btw.

Shiv

elucas730 · 06-19-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

$39,500 here.

$38,800

elucas730 · 06-19-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdude

You have a water-cooled turbocharger?

AFAIK, the turbos on the 335i are oil AND water cooled, just like on my Subaru.

Terry335 · 06-19-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elucas730

$38,800

Very nice! The only option on mine is auto, and I was able to get $1000 off MSRP. I think there are better deals now, but I just had to have it.

elucas730 · 06-19-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StylePoints

>>> I left my personal reason of not choosing the Vishnu off the table. It will start a flame war. I was here to have a peaceful discussion. If I told you what all the big shops here said about Vishnu tuning and the guy him self, you guys will start bashing me. But basically the truth is out there, its a matter of if you guys have been around long enough and in other forums to know Vishnu's rep. But thats a whole different topic that I do not want in this thread.

Yeah, all the "big" tuning shops would have nothing to gain from bashing their competitors. I'm sure their "stories" are 100% truthful and unbaised.

Truth is, Shiv, like every single other tuning business, has had unsatisfied customers. Some of those unsatisfied customers are louder than others. Some tuners are geniunely not very good at what they do. But you don't get to be around as long as Shiv has and have as much scrutiny and coverage (I believe Shiv did an Evo for C&D to race) and put out garbage products.

That said, just because Shiv is pretty good at what he does doesn't mean you are not going to have a screwup. It also doesn't mean that if you have a real problem with your car but you are modded that BMW won't decline your warranty work. You gotta pay to play. I say that if you are going to mod your car at all, you have to be prepared to replace an engine or transmission (hopefully not both at the same time).

lawdude · 06-19-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elucas730

AFAIK, the turbos on the 335i are oil AND water cooled, just like on my Subaru.

Learn something new every day. Thanks.

lawdude · 06-19-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StylePoints

>>> I left my personal reason of not choosing the Vishnu off the table. It will start a flame war. I was here to have a peaceful discussion. If I told you what all the big shops here said about Vishnu tuning and the guy him self, you guys will start bashing me. But basically the truth is out there, its a matter of if you guys have been around long enough and in other forums to know Vishnu's rep. But thats a whole different topic that I do not want in this thread.

Ha, where have you been? That topic was brought up and discussed a long time ago. Search if you're really interested.

If you're gonna start stuff, at least get some new material.

totoro · 06-19-2007, 04:52 PM

The de-tuning is perhaps for marketing & future models.
BMW has invested a lot of money developing this engine & they could release "new enhanced 335i & 535i models" in a few years by using the same engine with higher HP & they don't have to design a whole new engine. It makes perfect sense for a company.

CASHBY · 06-19-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

$39,500 here.

After tax and everything I walked out for $45650 or was it $46560?

I got mine with every option that they offer exept the rear shades that come up

I paid 500 over their invoice. Buddy of mine his girlfriend or friend is the Finance Manager, and she hooked me up more than big. They told me it was the first E90 335 with 6speed and Nav in California but who knows.

only thing i got out of the sports package was the Seats..other than that i took the suspension and wheels off.

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DrDomer Major Drives: 2004 330ci ZHP, 1999 Miata Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,348 iTrader: (0)	I would guess BMW has tested all ranges of tuning on this engine and has settled on the current specs because: 1) It's the fastest, most powerful non-M 3 series ever (by alot) at 300HP 2) It is remarkably fuel efficient at the current setup 3) It is probably at it's most reliable at this "tune" 4) It doesn't compete HP number-wise (on paper) with either the outgoing M3-series or incoming M3-series Certainly they could've increased boost and all those fancy things you guys know about, but why? They probably wouldn't have increased sales that much, and they may have increased warranty claims in their eyes (who knows?). Of course, this is all guessing. All I care about is that the Procede under my hood makes my car fun. Giddy up! __________________ Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. ~Albert Einstein

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Nyulak Captain Drives: 2009 BMW 535xi Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SheffVill, OH Posts: 924 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2009 BMW 535xi [0.00]	It still makes sense to detune the 335. THink about it, why offer a NA 3 liter that only produces 230 HP in the 328, when BMW already has a 260 HP version (272 in EU)? It's not like they have reliability issues with the extra HP, but it's a marketing concern. M vehicles are not to ever be turbocharged from the factory. As much optimizing that has gone into the NA engines, it is still possible to produce more power, but there is a difference for a company that warrants its work and offers other variants of its product versus the small amount of people that modify vehicles. The concerns of modifying a 50k USD car is what makes it so easy for BMW to detune the 335 and sell a 4 liter V-8 powered M3. If nobody in their right mind would modify such an expensive vehicle as the 335i, then those with the right mind and financial means will be lining up to sign on the dotted line for an M3. So, either wait for the warranty to expire or find a cheaper automobile that you won't mind modifying if modifying is your goal. The other option is to spend more dollars on a more expensive vehicle that has the performance targets you desire. I personally would like more power than stock, regardless of car, so if my financial situation gets better, I'll just modify a more expensive car.

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totoro Private First Class Drives: 335i coupe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CA Posts: 122 iTrader: (0)	The de-tuning is perhaps for marketing & future models. BMW has invested a lot of money developing this engine & they could release "new enhanced 335i & 535i models" in a few years by using the same engine with higher HP & they don't have to design a whole new engine. It makes perfect sense for a company.