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      08-03-2013, 03:23 AM   #353
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Dear all,

many thanks for sharing your experiences about the exhaust sound after PPK installation. Still it is not entirely clear as the PE's in the U.S. do not have an exhaust flap at all to my knowledge? So sound-wise there should not be a big change anyway for U.S.-owners (except the "burble").

Another issue: As my car runs out of warranty very soon I am thinking about doing a software update (my car is built in Sept. 2010, don't know if it was updated at any point in time since then).

However: as the PPK obviously includes a software change I wonder if this includes an entire update of the whole system software? As far as I understand it correctly, when updating, always the entire car software is updated (not components separately)?

Many thanks and best,

Fabian

PS: just to introduce my car briefly: It's an 335i x-Drive Coupe, Azurite-Black, 09/2010, LCI. Everything stock except PE, 19" 269 Performance wheels and Performance Carbon Front splitter
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      08-22-2013, 07:37 PM   #354
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The PPK exhaust sound is a BMW's recalibration of wastegate positioning at certain parts of throttle and idle that give you the gurgling and pops. Almost all the 011 N55s released had this (valve flap open or closed) before BMW snipped all our balls with new firmware that softened tip-in throttle and removed all the gurgling so that it could sell more PK's and make it sound and seem more exclusive to those who purchase. It's basic business as most people who buy these cars, that aren't enthusiasts, won't even realize the difference and will most likely eek out better mileage with the gutted firmware. If you ask me, it's a complete disgrace.
Hmm... I've got a 2011 335i w/sport package if that matters any
Does this mean I've already got the pre-ball-snipped sound? And if so, does that mean if I were to get the PPK1 or 2, that my exhaust wouldn't sound any 'throatier' after the upgrade? Or better yet, could one of you advise me on how to check for this?
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      08-23-2013, 01:55 AM   #355
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The PPK exhaust sound is a BMW's recalibration of wastegate positioning at certain parts of throttle and idle that give you the gurgling and pops. Almost all the 011 N55s released had this (valve flap open or closed) before BMW snipped all our balls with new firmware that softened tip-in throttle and removed all the gurgling so that it could sell more PK's and make it sound and seem more exclusive to those who purchase. It's basic business as most people who buy these cars, that aren't enthusiasts, won't even realize the difference and will most likely eek out better mileage with the gutted firmware. If you ask me, it's a complete disgrace.
Hmm... I've got a 2011 335i w/sport package if that matters any
Does this mean I've already got the pre-ball-snipped sound? And if so, does that mean if I were to get the PPK1 or 2, that my exhaust wouldn't sound any 'throatier' after the upgrade? Or better yet, could one of you advise me on how to check for this?
If you had a software update on your car, the gurgling isn't there any more...
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      08-28-2013, 07:47 PM   #356
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When I had my PPK S1 it was in June of 2011... I order my e90 335 with the MSport package... The sound difference was slightly noticeable... A little rougher and with more cracking noise. The software upgrade did not have a negative affect on the sound from the exhaust.
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      08-29-2013, 02:04 PM   #357
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Hmm... I've got a 2011 335i w/sport package if that matters any
Does this mean I've already got the pre-ball-snipped sound? And if so, does that mean if I were to get the PPK1 or 2, that my exhaust wouldn't sound any 'throatier' after the upgrade? Or better yet, could one of you advise me on how to check for this?
I did not have pops nor gurgles on my 2011 e90 UNTIL I had the Stage 2 PPK installed, then I had them aplenty.
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      08-29-2013, 02:09 PM   #358
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I had my PPK 1 installed last week. It took 3-4 days of driving before I heard it. Now it has it. Cannot really hear it inside the car. But when I park and open the door, I can readily hear it.
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It's a pretty good deal for what it is, however, two things you need to know:
The labor charge for this upgrade is only for 1.5 hours at the most! Even if it takes them all day to do it (like mine did), you only pay them for 1.5 hours labor. Be sure to inform them that, as that's the way it's quoted by BMW. They can't charge you more because their installers are slow.

Be prepared for it taking all day and getting a fun loaner meanwhile, lol. Make sure--make double sure and verify on your own--that they order the PPK according to your exact VIN. If just one digit is off, your car will not take the upgrade and they will have to re-order everything.

Lastly, talk to some of the parts guys at the dealer. They may hook you up with a discount like they did me ($680). Bring up the fact that it used to cost $500 when released at first.
Very, very nice write up bro. Been looking to this to my mine aswell. I got a quote for $704.08 plus $167 for labor at my local bmw dealer. What you think? I know its been 2 years now since your upgrade. How is it holding up?
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Here in NorCal.labor rate is $215 hr... My labor was $323 to install.. I was told that was because the whole car needed recoding.. Had to take back to dealer next day because I had some malfunction codes appear.
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It's a pretty good deal for what it is, however, two things you need to know:
The labor charge for this upgrade is only for 1.5 hours at the most! Even if it takes them all day to do it (like mine did), you only pay them for 1.5 hours labor. Be sure to inform them that, as that's the way it's quoted by BMW. They can't charge you more because their installers are slow.

Be prepared for it taking all day and getting a fun loaner meanwhile, lol. Make sure--make double sure and verify on your own--that they order the PPK according to your exact VIN. If just one digit is off, your car will not take the upgrade and they will have to re-order everything.

Lastly, talk to some of the parts guys at the dealer. They may hook you up with a discount like they did me ($680). Bring up the fact that it used to cost $500 when released at first.
Very, very nice write up bro. Been looking to this to my mine aswell. I got a quote for $704.08 plus $167 for labor at my local bmw dealer. What you think? I know its been 2 years now since your upgrade. How is it holding up?
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I was very interested at first too but when I saw the prices BMW charges for labor I skipped the PPK and went straight to COBB.

Got an AP V2 for $400, running Stage1+FMIC and will never go back. The only thing I will do is spend $295 to get a PTF custom tune to optimize for my current setup. But still cheaper than PPK software + install.

And for the PE, I don't have one but I unhooked the vacuum line of the exhaust valve and it's pretty loud already. Does the PE add HP/TQ too?
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I was very interested at first too but when I saw the prices BMW charges for labor I skipped the PPK and went straight to COBB.

Got an AP V2 for $400, running Stage1+FMIC and will never go back. The only thing I will do is spend $295 to get a PTF custom tune to optimize for my current setup. But still cheaper than PPK software + install.

And for the PE, I don't have one but I unhooked the vacuum line of the exhaust valve and it's pretty loud already. Does the PE add HP/TQ too?
I have the PE and from what I've read on here is that the gains are minimal at best and it's more of an aesthetic mod for the noise.
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