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      05-17-2012, 10:15 AM   #111
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Thanks. Car was there all day, so I have
no idea how long they took with it.
The exhaust is lower, meaner and I can
hear it more so in the cabin now.
Price was $675.00 plus $ 199.00
install at Classic in Dallas.
One thing I don't get is how can the
exhaust sound change with no
exhaust mod. Must be lope, stroke
changes??? Call me stupid!
I believe the turbo itself has something to do with it, but the biggest factor in the change is that they disconnect the valve which is normally closed during lower RPMs--I'm not sure what it's called, but it's the same valve which you can alter with the "golf tee mod." If you look that up, you'll know what it is. On a stock 335i N55, you'll notice that your right-side exhaust tip is always slightly dirtier due to it being the only one working in the lower RPMs. Once they change it, both work all the time, hence the deeper exhaust sound.
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Did anybody consider Dinan? I believe its available for the N55.

Former car: 2007 335i JB3

There are reasons for getting one over the other, but you'll have to remember that there are some tricks with Dinan warranty as well as the fact that it decreases your fuel econ. The difference is that the PPK is more of conservative mod, and plus, Dinan stuff is far overpriced.
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Just had the PPK 1 installed, it was the only way they would give me the newer firmware. The car should feel like this from the factory IMHO. It definitely feels quicker, but no where near as quick as Procede. The exhaust burble is nice, but I keep thinking it has stalled upon startup.. it sooooo quiet now (at startup), even with Remus Race.
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I did my 0-60 runs with my gtech. couldnt get anything better than 5.5 seconds...embarassing.
I also got a DSC/AWD malfunction light in the middle of my last run :S any ideas?
I also did a run with a 08-10 evo from 30km/h roll to 150 and we were dead even.. he looked stock
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I did my 0-60 runs with my gtech. couldnt get anything better than 5.5 seconds...embarassing.
I also got a DSC/AWD malfunction light in the middle of my last run :S any ideas?
I also did a run with a 08-10 evo from 30km/h roll to 150 and we were dead even.. he looked stock
I've done a few runs but only using pocketdyno on iPhone app. Varied from 5.19 and best of 4.78. This was last year in Dec. like 2 months after getting ppk1. I want to do another run but just run it in automatic, no paddle shifting. It feels really peppy in just DS mode. I can honestly say it feels stronger now 7 months later.
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I believe the turbo itself has something to do with it, but the biggest factor in the change is that they disconnect the valve which is normally closed during lower RPMs--I'm not sure what it's called, but it's the same valve which you can alter with the "golf tee mod." If you look that up, you'll know what it is. On a stock 335i N55, you'll notice that your right-side exhaust tip is always slightly dirtier due to it being the only one working in the lower RPMs. Once they change it, both work all the time, hence the deeper exhaust sound.
Great response. I get that. Makes
sense. Day 3 and still happy!
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There are reasons for getting one over the other, but you'll have to remember that there are some tricks with Dinan warranty as well as the fact that it decreases your fuel econ. The difference is that the PPK is more of conservative mod, and plus, Dinan stuff is far overpriced.
Thanks, I have read the other threads and came away a little confused. I may be getting a N55 135i later this year and there is a Dinan dealer near me. The consensus is that Dinan is overpriced for the power which makes the ppk attractive. Initially, I saw the Dinan power claims and they sounded impressive, but the dyno readings are underwhelming.

Considering that I had a JB3 on my 2007 335i, I know I am going to be down in power either with Dinan or ppk. I looked at the JB4, but the installation looks a little tougher than with the JB3 and of course you have potential warranty issues.

My timeframe is October, so I will just keep my options open at this point.

Thanks for the advice,

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I just purchases a 2011 335i coupe and looking at active autowerks reflash. Anyone have any experience with this one. My local shop PSI is a major distributor for them and my father has two cars with their tune and I was impressed. 2010 328i sport wagon and 2011 M3 competition package with akrapovic exhaust.

Just wanted feed back on how they are doing with the N55
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Well, just because they were coding the ECU doesn't mean they actually installed anything--My ECU was completely coded before they figured they ordered the wrong code by mistaking the VIN, so I had to leave the car for a few days for the new code to come and be installed. Regardless of what not, you should feel the performance increase. 20 horses and 32 torques is a lot. However, that's also subjective, I guess. I personally feel it faster everywhere. I drive the some roads every day and see how the car powers with greater ease on the same old turns.

I gotta say thanks to you.. I took the car in and apparently they didnt do the ecu flash properly! all they did was the exhaust
booked an appointment on tuesday to have the job re done
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I just purchases a 2011 335i coupe and looking at active autowerks reflash. Anyone have any experience with this one. My local shop PSI is a major distributor for them and my father has two cars with their tune and I was impressed. 2010 328i sport wagon and 2011 M3 competition package with akrapovic exhaust.

Just wanted feed back on how they are doing with the N55

I've never seen anyone with that one, but if your dad has two cars with it, there you will find your closest bet on experience. If they're running good on his cars, chances are they will do the same for N55. There's really not much difference from N54 and N55, so you don't have much to worry about. But since you're running a newer car, remember that anything but PPK and Dinan will likely result with warranty issues.
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I gotta say thanks to you.. I took the car in and apparently they didnt do the ecu flash properly! all they did was the exhaust
booked an appointment on tuesday to have the job re done
WOW, seriously?! Well, there you go, man! You will be totally happy when you actually get the real thing, lol. Glad it worked out that way. This threat has brought some good into the world.
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Thanks, I have read the other threads and came away a little confused. I may be getting a N55 135i later this year and there is a Dinan dealer near me. The consensus is that Dinan is overpriced for the power which makes the ppk attractive. Initially, I saw the Dinan power claims and they sounded impressive, but the dyno readings are underwhelming.

Considering that I had a JB3 on my 2007 335i, I know I am going to be down in power either with Dinan or ppk. I looked at the JB4, but the installation looks a little tougher than with the JB3 and of course you have potential warranty issues.

My timeframe is October, so I will just keep my options open at this point.

Thanks for the advice,

Dave

Dinan and PPK will not be the most powerful horse-gains out there, that's a fact. The reason you'd go with one or the either over something like JB is because your warranty will not be affected, while still gaining A LOT of power. This is why Dinan is as expensive as it is--they make it within the warranty. Dinan is pretty cool with BMW and there are dealers who will not mind a bit of it, so your best bet is to go to both places near you and see how the dealer will react. That is only if you care about the warranty. If not, go with JB. That's the way I personally see it.
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Dinan and PPK will not be the most powerful horse-gains out there, that's a fact. The reason you'd go with one or the either over something like JB is because your warranty will not be affected, while still gaining A LOT of power. This is why Dinan is as expensive as it is--they make it within the warranty. Dinan is pretty cool with BMW and there are dealers who will not mind a bit of it, so your best bet is to go to both places near you and see how the dealer will react. That is only if you care about the warranty. If not, go with JB. That's the way I personally see it.
After reading a lot of posts on this forum and talking to a Dinan rep there is no way that I can conclude that use of the Dinan kit lets one keep the BMW warranty. My understanding is that installation of the Dinan parts voids that part of the BMW warranty and that Dinan provides another warranty that steps in and fills the part of the BMW warranty that is voided. My thinking is that one of the reasons why the Dinan kit is SO expensive is that it costs Dinan money to offer the warranty. They are either paying a 3rd party to administer the warranty or they are directly paying out some claims from users that require warranty service.

I am still unsure what happens when one needs service and the Dinan dealer is inconvenient, ie what would happen if my HPFP died and I limped int the nearest BMW dealer, which is not signed up with Dinan. Do I wait for Dinan to send out the parts, flatbed the car 150 miles to a Dinan dealer, or what. And who picks up the loaner. Many questions still abound after talking to Dinan.

And I still did not get any answer from Dinan that makes any sense about why the dyno gains on the N55 kit do not come close to their own claims.
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Doing the PPK1 next week. It's all I need. Plus keeps warranty with BMW with no issues.
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Here's my biggest question - if I get the PPK1 (software / no hardware), what if I install my ETS intercooler AFTER and my ER Charge Pipe, ETS Exhaust, etc...what would that do to the PPK1 mapping? Will it adapt and "work with" the gains from hardware additions, or what?
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It will not "adapt" to your hardware because it doesn't recognize it! You will gaine some performance but to "fully" use it, you will have to have the right software...
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^ Thanks for letting me know that. I'll def go with JB or something that will "include" the hardware improvements I've made and "fully realize" them.

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After reading a lot of posts on this forum and talking to a Dinan rep there is no way that I can conclude that use of the Dinan kit lets one keep the BMW warranty. My understanding is that installation of the Dinan parts voids that part of the BMW warranty and that Dinan provides another warranty that steps in and fills the part of the BMW warranty that is voided. My thinking is that one of the reasons why the Dinan kit is SO expensive is that it costs Dinan money to offer the warranty. They are either paying a 3rd party to administer the warranty or they are directly paying out some claims from users that require warranty service.

I am still unsure what happens when one needs service and the Dinan dealer is inconvenient, ie what would happen if my HPFP died and I limped int the nearest BMW dealer, which is not signed up with Dinan. Do I wait for Dinan to send out the parts, flatbed the car 150 miles to a Dinan dealer, or what. And who picks up the loaner. Many questions still abound after talking to Dinan.

And I still did not get any answer from Dinan that makes any sense about why the dyno gains on the N55 kit do not come close to their own claims.

This is exactly why I went with the PPK instead of Dinan. Your warranty gets screwed exactly as you described it. Problem with that is some dealers may be fine, while others will refuse to fix anything and blame it on Dinan. Either way, the inconvenience doesn't justify the price. I assume for you, as for me, warranty is an important deal, so you might as well try the PPK like I did.
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How long does it take BMW dealer to do the software update?
Looked at my receipt and they charged
1.5 hours service. $199.00
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I was also charged for 1.5 hours. That seems to be the average, although in practice, it takes more like 4-5 hours; they just wouldn't sell anything if they charged that much for installation, lol.
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It will not "adapt" to your hardware because it doesn't recognize it! You will gaine some performance but to "fully" use it, you will have to have the right software...
This is correct! The whole "adapt" term is far overused and overrated, in my opinion. Your car will adapt to a new air filter or an intake, but never to a bunch of major aftermarket parts, like exhaust, intercooler, and so forth.
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Doing the PPK1 next week. It's all I need. Plus keeps warranty with BMW with no issues.

+1! Exactly my reasoning.
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