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      05-11-2012, 11:23 PM   #89
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Shivs gearing sucks and the 6MT is a nightmare at the drag strip traction or not.

Even I can cut him some slack. 60-130 numbers are quite impressive.
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      05-12-2012, 08:13 AM   #90
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It's quite sad that there is so much hate on these forums...
Being new to the N54 scene all I want is informative posts so that I can make an objective yet intellectual decision on what to save for and what set-up would suit my needs, instead I get two sides with pure hateful garbage that it takes away from the good things that are coming out of tuner testing.

What pisses me off the most is that I have basic-moderate car knowledge and I'm simply trying to learn. Stop with the BS and let the tuners do their thing!!

In fact, whether or not it's as good as they say it is, we all benefit from their experience/testing which creates competition and allows a broader variety of available mods and competitive pricing for the end user.

So...stop with the negativity ass*****.

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i would genuinely love to see the single turbo car against similarly powered cars in another roll on event. The vette that shiv raced that everyone always talks about either wasn't racing or was nowhere the power levels claimed. I'm honestly not hating, but a car with better drag C/O, less weight and 200 more whp will win everytime. By a lot.

How about getting a showdown together? I'm sure it shouldn't be hard for a tuner(im sure shiv has some fellow tuner buddies to hook him up with some cars) to get some 6xxwhp cars together. Vettes, terminators, STIs, EVOs, Supras, Camaros etc... I think that would help to show the potential of the car a lot better than the drag strip.
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This is what all the haters with cars not running 10's look like.... get real.
Build your own setup on your own dime and get out their and do it better.
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You realize this is a 3 series bmw with over 700 crank? What did you expect? Stock suspension and stock rft would be sufficient for that power sent to 1 rear wheel?
Corrected for most of us.
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All this smack talking putting Shiv down and so on is stupid. Do it better and faster than Shiv has on this platform then talk your smack. If not, shut it.
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While this is all very entertaining, this thread has definitely taken a nasty turn.

Honestly, I feel bad that Shiv and FBIS are getting attacked like this. The phrase "no good deed goes unpunished" comes to mind. Yes, Shiv is running a business and FBIS may or may not reap certain privileges for the reviews that he writes. However, that does not take away from the fact that they both contribute a lot to this community. Shiv has been at the forefront of creating new technology on this platform, and FBIS has provided countless numbers of us with really useful information when it comes to deciding between available mods. Yes, most of his reviews are positive because he picks good products to review from the start.

Because I'm fairly new here, I don't know what turf wars exist, but clearly it must ruffle a few feathers when records are broken. There are constructive ways to pose questions and there are just downright rude ways to butt in. Most of what we've been seeing here is the latter.

Themyst - I've read a lot of what you've written on these forums, and generally you seem like a very helpful and knowledgeable person. However, that snipe you took at FBIS was a low blow and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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this is definitely the wrong forum for technical information, lol
There is no "right" forum for technical information nowadays. They are all convoluted with crap. It's more about knowing who the good posters are and getting their attention while weeding out the non-contributers.
This is what I mean though...I recognize the tuners and the fellas that do independent wok like Boosted. I quite enjoy reading up on these things not because they provide technical data, but because it's an insight of what's going on with this platform. As it grows I want to grow and learn with it.

All I know is I want a fast E93 for as little $$ as possible and to run that set-up safely. My concern isn't setting records, simply getting good products for a competitive price and to have fun with them.

It's just sad to see so much fighting when it should be more questions and less STATEMENTS.

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I think there are some people distracted by the grand scheme of things. Shiv's single turbo works for what it was designed to do. It makes the power it was intended to make and the powerband it intended to have along with it. Just because this platform is not ideal out of the factory does not make a turbo kit at fault for not being "impressive".

As someone in the industry I can tell you there are plenty of turbo kit makers that dont even show time slips and they only estimate power. Shiv has gone out of his way on his own dime to take things a step further for you guys.

If you want the power the turbo kit can supply, it will do it. The end user still needs to make their car support the power for their needs.

All Shiv is doing here is just getting a 10 slip to show the potential of that power for anyone that has a goal of making their car drag strip ready. Along the way there will be hiccups as many have pointed out in this platform. BMW never designed this car with the notion of 700HP, and to be able to cut 1.5 60 foots all day.

I for one am not an avid drag racer, so the slip is cool, but I rather see the power do other things, like 60-130, which it already has. The turbo kit does what its supposed to do, I think some people are getting confused what is being sold here. The turbo kit sells itself, the platform in other areas needs work, and that will come with time.
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wow, dat shit kray!! congrats Vishnu n FFTEC!
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... So does anyone wonder why so many company's have stayed away from developing a single kit for our platform? There are so many immature keyboard jockeys on here. Just let shiv finish his development and if you don't like what he is doing then don't buy it. This thread has gotten ridiculous. Grow up.
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To add a little prespective, Shiv announced the kit on Jan 30, just over 3 months ago. I'm impressed with the number of records he's achieved in that amount of time.

To add a little more perspective, follow the progression of mods since the car was released. In the beginning there was basic bolt-ons and basic tune, and it was good! The car responded well at that level and asked for more. Then came upgraded twins with better bolt-ons and better tunes, and the car said, 'no sweat'. Around that time everyone asked, 'If a little is good, and more is better, then how much is too much?' In other words, since upgraded twins, FBO and a matching tune were no problem (more or less) then what would happen if someone put a big single turbo on the car? Could you imagine this car with a big single!

A few shops tried to make a big single and failed, some more notably than others. Vishnu succeeded. Hang on, it's going to be a wild ride.

I've watched several platforms become tuner cars over the years, some had success, others no so much. I've been watching the N54 for a short time and it looks like it has great momentum. The basic core of the car was built right. It's a blank canvas for us to paint as we wish.

Where will it end? We don't know yet, haven't gotten there. There's still plenty more untapped potential in this platform. The record that spawned this thread is just one stepping stone. I'm eager to see what comes next!
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I am sorry but a trap speed of 130mph is no joke! How many cars trap 130+ with just a kit added to it?


props to Shiv.

Stop hating and learn something.
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      05-13-2012, 12:58 AM   #102
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congrats on both fronts.

104.4mph at the 1/8 mile - is bawlz fast!
If you run a 10.8, well, I guess I'll think of something crazy to say that I'll do later.
Even an 11.105@130 is insane. That's is incredibly fast.
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That's with stock turbod+nitrous (2 power adders). This is just with stock turbos. On a track that reads considerably slower than it used to when hotrod ran.

Also, just broke the overall n54world record in the single turbo. 11.105@130.5 with a pretty poor 1.75 60' (bogged off the line). First time out with real slicks

1/8m trap speed of 104.4!
11.11 is still the stock turbo record LOL. But if we are going to use qualifiers we can come up with all kinds of records for some of my runs:

WR qtr mile 11.69 ET for stock turbos with greater than a 2.0 sec 60' (Sac 11/26/2011)

WR 1/8 mile (98mph) for stock turbos (Sac 11/26/2011)

WR N54 stock turbo non nitrous 1/4 mile trap 125.2mph (driving the 135i)

WR N54 stock turbo non nitrous 1/4 mile ET record 11.25 sec (driving the 135i)

WR 60-130 for stock turbos (8.39 sec)
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WR stock turbo/nitrous 60-130 on level run (.16% slope!) 6.95 sec
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=157

Now anyone that does vbox testing knows what a huge difference slope makes. The 6.95 run was done with less than a 2 ft drop over the entire run. I can't even imagine doing the test with a 1.6% slope. From plenty of experience, I know it would definitely cut at least .30 seconds off my 6.95 sec run. It would be very informative for the community if with that same (6.7 sec) setup you could do your runs on a level stretch of road to make for more uniform comparisons. That is the one obvious flaw with the current 60-130 testing standards. Its unthinkable that we are actually comparing downhlll runs with level runs. You would think they forgot to put a decimal point in front of the allowable slope numbers.

Not hating, my 60-130 record was set a long time ago. And the recent Sac runs were a detour from my family's vacation with little prep done. I used high octane pump gas, no dedicated slicks, and had no LSD in the sedan. Everyone knows what a 11.6 ET with a 2.0 sec 60' would be with a 1.6 60', (easily record breaking ETs) Nonetheless, pretty impressive what all of our N54s have done.
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11.11 is still the stock turbo record LOL. But if we are going to use qualifiers we can come up with all kinds of records for some of my runs:

WR qtr mile 11.69 ET for stock turbos with greater than a 2.0 sec 60' (Sac 11/26/2011)

WR 1/8 mile (98mph) for stock turbos (Sac 11/26/2011)

WR N54 stock turbo non nitrous 1/4 mile trap 125.2mph (driving the 135i)

WR N54 stock turbo non nitrous 1/4 mile ET record 11.25 sec (driving the 135i)

WR 60-130 for stock turbos (8.39 sec)
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WR stock turbo/nitrous 60-130 on level run (.16% slope!) 6.95 sec
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=157

Now anyone that does vbox testing knows what a huge difference slope makes. The 6.95 run was done with less than a 2 ft drop over the entire run. I can't even imagine doing the test with a 1.6% slope. From plenty of experience, I know it would definitely cut at least .30 seconds off my 6.95 sec run. It would be very informative for the community if with that same (6.7 sec) setup you could do your runs on a level stretch of road to make for more uniform comparisons. That is the one obvious flaw with the current 60-130 testing standards. Its unthinkable that we are actually comparing downhlll runs with level runs. You would think they forgot to put a decimal point in front of the allowable slope numbers.

Not hating, my 60-130 record was set a long time ago. And the recent Sac runs were a detour from my family's vacation with little prep done. I used high octane pump gas, no dedicated slicks, and had no LSD in the sedan. Everyone knows what a 11.6 ET with a 2.0 sec 60' would be with a 1.6 60', (easily record breaking ETs) Nonetheless, pretty impressive what all of our N54s have done.
The only qualifiers I used were model (e9x) and turbo type (stock upgraded). Until you break a record, it's a good idea not to say how easy it would be to do so.

Also, like many people, I don't consider nitrous runs to be in the same category. And props for your accomplishments with the BMS 135. But this is e90post and, as such, we are saddled with ~200+lbs of mass to push around.

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The only qualifiers I used were model (e9x) and turbo type (stock upgraded). Until you break a record, it's a good idea not to say how easy it would be to do so.

Also, like many people, I don't consider nitrous runs to be in the same category. And props for your accomplishments with the BMS 135. But this is e90post and, as such, we are saddled with ~200+lbs of mass to push around.
Definitely not easy, as evidenced by the number of attempts you have made on your 60-130 runs and trips to the track lately.

I guess I have the NON LSD E90/E92 record? LOL. On my DD Nittos nonetheless. In the 135i, it was quite easy getting a good dragstrip launch with the LSD. Really didn't make a difference on my street launch testing. However, as far as heating the tires evenly with the LSD, the drag strip launches definitely benefit compared to the open diff. Of course the recipe for my 08 sedan was simple/cheap mods that could be removed easily in 1 day. So no LSD on 11.11 run.

But seriously, racing down hill trying to get good 60-130 numbers is fun, but you should also try a run on level ground (same setup). I'm sure many forum members would be very interested in the differences. I have found the benefit to be worth at least .30 seconds with even a 1.4% slope.

FYI: My E90 stock turbo WR 8.39sec 60-130 is not listed by MR5 merely because he only wants one run posted per car.

I don't think the N55 with DCT is any heavier than a N54 with steptronic, but the current 135i is listed at 3439lbs, which is less than a 200lb difference compared to a 335i.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

Again, its awesome to see the N54 pushing the limits. I think it will be awesome to see how Drews M3 does against your car with approx the same WHP.
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oooo the drama - how about ever one just shut up and show respect. We need more support in this community and Vishnu is the first to successfully put together a single turbo kit. The more support we show the more other tuners will come in and produce more products for our cars. I believe highly that the n54 might be the next 2jzgte

and besides records are MEANT to be BROKEN.
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Several useless pages of this thread disappeared while I was sleeping, like a dream come true!

Just wondering shiv, do you have a rough eta on that finalized e85 map?
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The only qualifiers I used were model (e9x) and turbo type (stock upgraded). Until you break a record, it's a good idea not to say how easy it would be to do so.

Also, like many people, I don't consider nitrous runs to be in the same category. And props for your accomplishments with the BMS 135. But this is e90post and, as such, we are saddled with ~200+lbs of mass to push around.
Are you going to change that 60-130 time in your sig?
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Has anybody beaten Shiv's 6MT run of 11.5x? (With a 6MT)

The MT alone is worth a solid .3 seconds, and that's assuming a good launch. 6AT drag runs shouldn't even be compared to the 6MT single turbo runs.
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